I mean, we were cringe at their age. It would be more surprising if they weren’t cringe.
Yeah, it’s not that Gen Z is cringe. It’s that any and everyone who is between the ages of 10 to 16 are cringe.
It happens with every generation. It happened with everyone before Gen Z and it’ll happen with everyone after Gen Z.
You can probably jack that age limit up to the early 20s, tbqh.
Wow what a fascinating deep conversation. Someone should write all of this down in a magic book
They actually made a documentary about just this in 2004. It was a multi-part series.
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I thank god smart phones didn’t exist in thebMySpace/FaceBook transitional time. Holy god I was an edgy atheist getting into “debates” about religion with my friend’s parents.
Uper end of the millenial spectrum here. Zoomers are alright. They might seem weird because they are young and young people are all weird like that. But their core values and beliefs? Man they are gonne be really nice people.
I wouldn’t get your hopes up.
Andrew Tate is insanely popular in that demographic.
“The survey revealed that just one in five young people have a positive view of Tate, though young men were significantly more likely to have a positive view of him – 32 percent of them – than young women – 9 percent. Heterosexual young people were more likely to have a positive view of him; nearly a quarter of them said so, compared to just 5 percent of LGBTQ individuals.”
https://www.vice.com/en/article/v7bbd8/andrew-tate-young-people-support
One in five is quite a bit. To make an extreme example: If one in five people on the street were looking to stab you, you’d be thinking there’s a lot of people wanting you dead.
Also it’s ca. one in three among the young men, which is terrifying. And if the “more favorable among heterosexual” holds true for only the male half (I see no reason why it wouldn’t), that’s even higher among that demographic.
Fuck that’s scary.
Man, nearly one-in-two people on the street have positive opinions of other right-wing chuds who are equally as vile. As far as I’m concerned, 1-in-5 is probably as close to a win as it’s humanly possible to get considering our current society.
Totally agree with you, how are we supposed to think these are positive numbers, it’s insane.
Ironic that Tate is a millenial. Also generations aren’t like monolithic blocks of culture. The reason Tate is popular is because literally everyone is failing young disenfranchised men. Sure we get women as heroes now (good ones and very prominent bad ones … ahem WW84)
The reason we get a backsliding is because (imo) we focus on elevating women too much. It is so so devastating for young men that just get nothing. No recognition, no support and no opportunities. Couple that with the fact that until men hit their mid to late 20s the dating power dynamic is asymmetricly shifted towards women. And you get hammered by the media “women support here, women support there” and if any young teen dares to ask “well what about us boys?” They just get shushed, that it’s not their place, male privilege etc. They don’t see that “privilege” everyone else speaks of. So you just get mounting aggression because no one is confirming their struggles. And eventually it ferments and turns to hate and then you can serve them whatever lies you want, if you give them the prospect of control over their life they will eat it up. And that’s what Tate did. He promised them power and success.It’s not that deep. It’s just misogyny.
“Privilege is when equality feels like oppression.” When “straight white cis male” is the default, all resources are “male” resources. All history is “male” history. Not sure how that’s so unfair.
There are men-only 12 step meetings. There are men-only homeless shelters (way more than there are for women or LGBTQ folks actually). Men-only recovery programs. Men-only church groups and support groups. A few years ago a domestic violence org in my hometown changed from being women-only to accepting all genders, including straight cis men, and it certainly can’t be the only one in the US. And of course men had to create a male counterpart to International Women’s Day. There’s a million resources and groups for prostate cancer and testicular cancer (because I’ve literally heard men complain about the amount of recognition breast cancer gets - not that breast cancer only affects women…) Plus your “no nut/no shave November.” And of course, any space, organization, or institution that is not gender specific to begin with generally becomes dominated by straight white cis men. Maybe you just aren’t looking hard enough for these “male resources.”
literally everyone is failing the young
disenfranchised menftfy. your whole comment is just an example of the fact that when ‘you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression’. I know thats not what these men want to hear but there’s no other way to deal with. I live in a country that just removed rights to a safe abortion , and billionaires are fucking over the entire working class women and men, but please tell me more about how ‘women having too much power’ is the problem
you are specifically talking about young men with outdated ideas about labor division based on gender. They want their bang maid and they are pissed they don’t get it. Guys who accept that everyone has to work, so everyone has to do housework don’t have trouble dating. Straight women are dating someone. So either young men and women are struggling with dating, or the struggles of one demographic of men (white conservatives) are vastly overblown (by them).
edit: a few people are really dedicated to being mad about this take, but rich people drank your milkshake, not women. And no amount of taking things from women will get you back the shit the rich guys took.
you are specifically talking about young men with outdated ideas about labor division based on gender. They want their bang maid and they are pissed they don’t get it.
That is not the source of their problems, they were not born like that, they were usually not brought up like that. It’s where they end up because society sucks, they’re in search of solutions, and by and large the only people at least promising solutions, at least pretending to lend a hand, are grifters.
You know what saying “So men have problems, tough luck, their fault, fix it yourself, everyone helping them is sexist and hates women and wants to outlaw abortions” is called? Toxic masculinity. Stop being part of the problem.
Oh please, don’t project on me.
The reason we get a backsliding is because (imo) we focus on elevating women too much
Here’s where you crossed the line from ‘helping men’ to ‘blaming women’. These mens problems are their own, not the fault of women. And you saying that women are the reason they aren’t getting enough attention is exactly the type of sexist shit that leads to incels.
I never said that, you’re quoting someone else.
If you want me to point to a big (but not sole) cause then it’s in the lack of male role models available to boys, as well as those who are available having to tip-toe around the issue. Like, try being a male teacher in a female-dominated educational environment and argue that the boys need to roughhouse: Instead of learning, under supervision, how to do so safely and without causing interpersonal conflict down the line, to learn to control their energy, there’s, in my perception, this desire from lived feminism to “train the shopping cart race energy out of boys”. Which won’t ever work, what you instead get is pent-up energy without any skill in directing it in productive ways.
Said grifters take the boys’ indignation about being bereft of that aspect of their development, and that energy, and fuck them up even more. It’s literally that simple.
The issue is not elevating girls, the issue isn’t even not investing energy into the boys, the issue is spending all that energy on having them sit still in class until their bored brains ooze out of their ears… and even if they manage to do that you get statistics like boys needing to be significantly better in class to get equal grades. And then educators complain about lack of respect. The issue is the energy investment causing the problem because, and now I am going to blame women: Feminism at large doesn’t get men. Never has. Never was willing to listen. To be edgy: The best it gets is academic Karens psycho-analysing their own animus and thinking it’s actual men. That combined with educational systems being female-dominated and engaging in toxic masculinity in the “men can’t raise children their input isn’t even necessary when it comes to boys women understand better” gets you a system which fails the boys, allowing characters like Tate to succeed.
(I’ll leave the issue that that kind of attitude is officially called toxic masculinity to another rant, feminism has a terminology problem).
You’re right, I now see what was someone else.
What confuses me is that you read a comment chain where a man told a woman that the reason that men are suffering is that women have too many resources, which I rebutted. And that made you want to argue with ME.
Why let the sexism slide from your fellow man but try to police my response to it?
As someone who’s part of Gen z, I’ve only met two people ever who have genuinely supported Andrew Tate, and I know a lot of people my age.
Stop ruining things for me :/
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Don’t be like the boomers. We should be loving the generation coming after us not making fun of them.
Also, we were were cringeworthy than they are now. I was there in the late '90s and the early 2000s. I remember the forum posts, the livejournal drama, the unfunny memes, the rise of MySpace. The Xanga sites alone were far more cringeworthy than Tumblr ever was, even if you ignore the underage nudes AND early 2000s fanfiction that people posted on their Xanga pages it was still worse. At least zoomers don’t have emo hair and post about their angst in the form of shitty poetry with handles like xXx_darkbl4de_st0rmwind_xXx, and those of us born in the mid '80s through the early '90s cannot always say the same.
We were extremely cringe but there are barely any trace left of it nowadays, thank god. I really feel for the zoomers and alphas who have their entire life plastered all over the internet forever…
Funny you should mention that, I found a particularly cringeworthy forum thread featuring child millenials lying about being badasses from back in 2005, and through the magic of Google Groups we can even laugh at sports fans’ forgotten shit takes they posted to Usenet 40(!) years ago:
Oh god I forgot about xanga. I got in so much trouble because I posted stupid shit my friends and I were doing there. Fortunately I didn’t implicate them.
Meh, kids are weird. Like REALLY F’N WEIRD. I was pretty f’n weird and hell, I still am. I’m not mad at kids for being odd little shits, I just correct my kids when they’re not being good humans to others, other than that, good luck, the world’s on fire 🤷
As a zoomer, gen Z, yes. They are cringe and weird.
Specifically tiktok, that place is the weird one
We get it you’re not like the other zoomers.
I’m so out of touch for being a zoomer. I have just accepted that, lol
Same here, it’s probably because I stay off TikTok like it’s the plague. I’ve even modded my YouTube app to disable shorts. (YouTube ReVanced my beloved)
Same
Zoomers, keep being weird and wonderful, I love it.
This is the nature of aging. As an older millennial I wish more millennials would get with it. We spent our 20s and 30s wanting to be treated as adults. Well, this is how young people treat adults.
You have to remember that gen Z’ers are early twenties. It’s not usually the early 20s ones that are cringe, it’s the younger teenagers who, almost as a rule, are always pretty cringe. They don’t have the sense and forethought to not do really, really embarrassing stuff. They’re just full of emotions and hormones and those impulses aren’t tampered by fully developed brains thinking better than to…do really weird stuff. It’s not out of the ordinary. Millennials are late twenties to late thirties/early 40s.
Oh, I just meant the first part. Yes, we’re out of touch. We’re old. Deal with it. Don’t be like my mother, dying your hair into your 70s.
I thought we killed generational trend analysis anyway.
Your mom sounds pretty cool, actually. My mother is around the same age and like straight out of medieval times in terms of how she sees the world.
My mother will only vote Republican. :(
Millennial here, zoomers are fucking funny. Way funnier than we ever were.
Also they don’t take no shit, compared to us who constantly apologize for existing
That’s because we were raised to think everything is our fault.
GenX here, oh I dunno, you millennials were pretty hilarious
“No it’s the wealthy elite who are cringe”
Gen-X here. Leave our kids alone. Y’all are just mad you’re middle aged now. Believe me, been there.
We are looking out for your kids. Just like everyone else looked out for us when we were teenagers on the internet: By mercilessly roasting us because what we were doing deserved to be roasted lol
Being a teenager and being embarrassing is like the strongest connection in the world. If I ever had to take more advanced science classes in my poorly educated state, I’d tell you what kind of covalent or electron bond or something it was, but I didn’t. But trust me, being young and embarrassing is a rite of passage. They just happen to be going through it now.
Oh, I know. My comment is meant to be tongue in cheek. Millennials are at that age where they are very sensitive about teaching middle age and it’s difficult to pass the opportunity to twist the knife. It’s payback for everytime a millennial told me they enjoyed Nine Inch Nails cover of Johnny Cash’s “Hurt”.
I liked their cover of old town Rd more
A gen Xer dissing NIN?!
As a millennial, I was involuntarily subjected to your terrible taste in fashion and music until my generation’s tastes took over.
Of course it is your children who are resurrecting baggy jeans… you passed on your terrible taste to them. It is only a matter of time before they try to bring back Limp Bizkit too.
I’m so sorry. I’ll tell my kids to get off your lawn.
Bud Spotify won’t recommend me music newer than 2014 I know I’m out of touch
I have zero problem with gen Z.
Gen X here. You’re all weird, and that’s fine. Just don’t be like Boomers.
