We’ve known for years that the owner is a lying, creepy, out of touch dipshit and that it’s a very flawed car and the company will cut costs to save money on safety items, every time.
Electric vehicles with drive assist are awesome and are the future, but there are alternatives, especially if you have money, which a lot of Tesla customers do. And they’re not particularly well built; how many of these do you think will be on the road 20 years from now? And now we’ve seen how Elaine runs their companies, why the hell would anybody put their trust in their products?
If you’ve bought a Tesla in the last five or so years, you’re a damn goober in my eyes. That’s my hot take, prepared for being called poor and other sodium, tear filled comments from fools whose opinions don’t matter. You are the hardcore, foaming at the mouth Segway fan from the 2000s, have at me lol.
Update: The teary eyed, sweaty fingered responses to this are predictably hilarious. I’ve been called a guy that eats 4 pizzas a week in another old thread because of this, a cunt, a tool, a douche, a couple people spent their energy to tell me they don’t understand me spending my energy posting this, some people are telling me something about Tesla or Elaine living in my head rent free. All genuinely pathetic responses, so GG lol. Cheers.
Porsche’s Taycan is $10k more than the Model S and superior in pretty much every aspect other than range. And even then it has a 250-300 mile range.
Not to mention it handles better, is based on a well proven frame, has better safety ratings, it’s the better car in all bit range and charger availability (and Porsche has committed to setting up chargers in every multiple cities across America)
And where Porsche chargers do exist: they’re faster than the Tesla Superchargers. So… idk what’s this “are not as good” to you? What metric are you using to determine this? Until you articulate what metric you are judging the car from any discussion further than this is pointless.
Edit: And I’ve owned both cars. The Taycan is far better on road in my experience in Los Angeles, and I’ll be able to tell you how it fares on a cross country trip soon.
My Tesla was all but forgotten after I got the Taycan.
Model S and X are the most expensive Tesla models. Maybe they’re talking about the 3 and Y. Also chargers and range are some of the most important parts of an electric car.
Range matters to a point. 250+ miles is where we consider it comparable to an ICE in terms of driving time to charge.
Essentially at 250+ miles you are driving about as long as your average driver of an ICE would before filling up.
Charger availability is only going to improve for Porsche as the Taycan becomes more widely available but they’ve already rolled out in most major metro areas… and have stated plans to be in every state. The Taycan is also expensive for a Porsche so comparing to the Model S (which is the best like for like comparison) seems fair. Albeit other Porsches are ICEs (the Cayenne is currently about as expensive as a model X)
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Also, while my experience has been that the Model S has better range. In WLTP testing, the current standard, the Taycan beats the Model S by 13 miles.
I don’t know how you’re mentally justifying this. Not only can a typical car go 400-500 miles on a tank, but filling up the tank takes less than five minutes.
Most people don’t (and shouldn’t) run their car to empty causing the average consumer to fill up after ~300 miles, when they get to roughly 1/4 their tank.
This has been proven time and time again. If you consistently got the true 400 miles a tank out of your car, you’d damage it.
(Also average fuel efficiency is 25mpg, average fuel tank size is 12-16 gallons. Average that 12-16 to 14 gallons. 25x14=350 miles per tank)
But I love the absolute assured confidence in your incorrect reply here.
The same applies to EVs, you don’t get nearly that 250-300 mile range without degrading your battery at a faster rate than your gas car’s fuel pump.
Your fuel efficiency number is also bad. It probably factors in a lot of the large pickups that get 12-16 mpg. All the SUVs and sedans I’ve owned achieved 400-450 miles per tank. Hell, my 98 camry could do 500 if you kept AC usage to a minimum.
Your level of confidence is immeasurable, considering your bad statistics, and 1 sided thinking of the negatives.
My numbers came from WLTP which considers EV range “a functional range for which you can safely drive without harm to the systems.” So it already took into account that issue.
Your anecdotal evidence does not a statistic make. The average fuel efficiency for all cars in the road in America is 25 mpg. This is not counting lorries or other commercial vehicles. The average tank size is 12-16 gallons. You. Are. Wrong.
But still love the assured confidence.
It seems you don’t have any real world experience with EVs as WLTP is wildly optimistic. EPA is bad enough, but WLTP isn’t even remotely close unless you’re going a constant 35 mph with no stops.
Owned both a Model S and a Taycan. Both have exceeded WLTP in my experience. So you’d be wrong on that assumption.
Edit: and most reviewers agree that both cars exceed their tested ranges. Not seen one say otherwise
For people that live in a small world evs might be fine.
For the rest of us, they aren’t going to stack up for 20 years at a minimum. Hopefully by then these climate lunatics won’t exist anymore and we can go back to freedom of choice.
“Climate lunatics” I am 20yo. I can literally observe the climate as being different than it was when I was a child. It is plainly obvious something has changed. What should we call this change in the climate of our planet? Hmmmm… maybe, climate change is an apt descriptor for the change in our planet’s climate wouldn’t you agree?
As to its existence? I’m not going to debate you on it. Climate change does exist. To deny that is to deny facts and science. To deny it is to deny literal reality. I don’t debate people who live in fantasyland.
EVs have their issues in an establishing industry but I don’t deny that climate change is real and to that carbon emissions have a lot to do with that.
And to that, focusing on the smallest possible end of the spectrum and dumping it on an end consumer is the most ludicrous proposition in existence.
We don’t get wood fired pizza, or gasoline, or natural gas, or fucking straws?(lol), or, or, or, but tanker ships and private jets get to cruise around with impunity?
Who do you think they’re buying those “carbon credits” from?
That same government pushing green bullshit is selling your freedom of choice to the highest bidder and removing it altogether from the individual.
That is a good point, however you call people climate lunatics without specifying above, which is lazy and strange to do on a platform like lemmy where you have a much higher wordcount for comments than Twitter for instance. I’m still convinced you dislike the idea of a clean, green environment for some reason though.
I’m not going to agree with the strange. The people that are pushing this are verifiable lunatics.
One cannot dislike the idea of a clean green environment, its the natural state of our planet, before cities were built. One can vehemently disagree with the mechanisms being employed that will have no discernible impact on “climate change” but will certainly ensure your grandchildren have no choices.