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      That’s the unfortunate thing.

      Start criticizing the Soviet union and you’ll end up with a bunch of people left bashing in general.

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          To tankies fascist means opposing whatever flavor of authoritarian “communism” they prefer regardless of the reasons or context. This conveniently allows any number of pogroms, mass slaughters or engineered famines to be reframed as anti-fascist action, rather than a brutal expression of state power at the expense of the working class.

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          Okay Stalin’s Moustache,

          Listen there’s more kinds of people than liberals tankies, and fascists.

          There are also anarchist who can critizes these three groups ( and others) with out being within them.

          I have no problem with ML and other comrades of various flavors but if your going to be really Into to stalin your not going to be working with me.

          You should read about the Spanish civil war.

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              Sure. There are plenty of people who are anarchists, who are people I would not work with. Like armchair anarchists.

              And the word “tankie” does get used by armchair anarchists A lot often inappropriatly.

              But still tankie is a valid crique of Red fascism.

              And if you are a person who believes In communism, and can see it’s benefits but are unable to see it’s faults your probably a tankie.

              Please remember on multiple instances The Soviets turned their back on anarchists. Like in the Spanish civil war.

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          Then what would you have me call people who make excuses for invasion, oppression, and genocide just because it was committed by the Russian or Chinese government instead of a western one?

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        “tankies” criticize the Soviet union, you know? They also criticize the ebil See See Pee but apparently there’s no room for nuance

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          What’s your definition of “tankie”? If you’re willing to call out Putin’s homophobic journalist murdering authoritarian bullshit and the Chinese government’s massacring of protesters and genociding of ethnic minorities you’re not a tankie imo, you’re just a communist.

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              Westerners slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis for decades on end, and it was fine because we labeled them all terrorists.

              No, it wasn’t fine, that’s kinda the point… It isn’t fine when the west does it, it’s not fine when others do it too…

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                It’s pretty typical tankie behavior that we’re seeing.

                When you say it’s bad that Stalin implemented genocidal policies such as against the Krim Tartars, Kalmykks and other ethnic groups, they come back with wHaT aBoUt aMeRiCa.

                They know that both things can be bad, but they have similar incentives to right-fascists. That is to say they’re liars.

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                  Yeah I don’t care if they want to call it genocide or not, I honestly don’t… And I don’t care for calling them fascists either, it’s just childish drama stuff to me… Just don’t twist other people’s words and pretend that a certain country or person is perfect…

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                    Hey, that’s kinda fucked, since genocide is one of the worst things that can happen and should be condemned in the strongest possible terms.

                    Nothing Childish about condemning genocidal states like China.