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    We’re all victims of economic coercion. Very few would willingly work service or clerical jobs if they didn’t need to.

    If that’s your rubrik, then whatever your opinion of Johns is, it should consistently be applied to anyone who ever buys any product or uses any service.

    We all work because we need to get paid to survive. Knowing that, how do you believe those who choose for that work to be sex work should be treated?

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      false equivalency intensifies

      Some things that are bad are worse than other things that are bad.

      If that’s your rubrik

      Fuck everything that came after that pretentious sentence starter. I’m not going to humor your dubiously-motivated sophistry.

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      then whatever your opinion of Johns is, it should consistently be applied to anyone who ever buys any product or uses any service

      With that bewilderingly bad false equivalency, you sound like you may be trying to banish a guilty conscience, or if you lack even that, you may be trying to vindicate what you’ve already paid for regarding economically coerced company. kombucha-disgust

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          Believe that if you want, but “buying breakfast at the cafe down the road is exactly as exploitative as soliciting (possibly) trafficked people for sex in the Phillipines” is a horrible take and the pretentious Reddity format it was presented in did not seem good faith to me.

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        Guy who refuses to answer the first question asked continues to deflect because he knows there’s no logical position he can take that isn’t ‘I don’t like sex workers’.

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          Guy who refuses to answer the first question

          Your “question” was garbage to begin with because you’re seriously arguing that all work is only equally harmful and exploitative.

          no logical position

          I don’t see why you need to stan so hard for unregulated sexpat adventures when you’re doing a fine job masturbating right there.

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            You deflected first by invoking economic coercion. Unless it’s your firm belief that there are zero people who would knowingly choose to fuck for money over taking a menial job.

            Get better talking points than these sad little ad hominems, they aren’t helping you.

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              You deflected first

              That doesn’t matter to me whatsoever. You sound like a creepy sexpat using false equivalencies to vindicate your little hobby.

              they aren’t helping you

              Don’t say stupid shit like “all work is equally as exploitative.”

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                Never said they were equally exploitative, just that we all suffer from some level of economic coercion.

                What you are doing is what’s called strawmanning. It’s where you reframe an argument you are unable to counter to a slightly different one that you are able to counter.

                I’d say it’s beneath you, but it honestly doesn’t seem to be.

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                    Indeed I did. I’ll own up to that mistake.

                    The rest is projection, I’m afraid. Your should probably spend some time in reflection, but you’re not going to.

                    Get whatever jibe is left in you out of your system and be on your way.

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                  Never said they were equally exploitative, just that we all suffer from some level of economic coercion.

                  You very strongly implied otherwise:

                  whatever your opinion of Johns is, it should consistently be applied to anyone who ever buys any product or uses any service.

                  If we play devil’s advocate, the strictest denotation of what you are saying allows for the interpretation that one should consider exploitation in all cases, but you are very clearly implying that there is a comparable magnitude. I don’t “apply my opinion of” John Wayne Gacy to someone was convicted of a sexual assault charge, because both people are sex criminals (and should be condemned) but the cases are clearly not comparable beyond a statement as generic as that.

                  Likewise, I don’t “apply my opinion of Johns” to someone who bought a bundle of bananas at a grocery store because both people “contributed in some manner to exploitation” but the scale is not remotely similar and also the latter person still needs to eat!

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                  Never said they were equally exploitative

                  If that’s your rubrik, then whatever your opinion of Johns is, it should consistently be applied to anyone who ever buys any product or uses any service.

                  You’re a liar and a creep.