Agreed. Purposeful ignorance of spelling and grammar is basically saying to the person you’re typing to “I’m too lazy to learn simple concepts so you’ll have to spend extra time trying to parse my sentences”
90% of the time I see grammar nazis doing their thing, it’s never about protecting the “sanctity” of grammar - it’s more about exerting control and attempting to enjoy the feeling of being right.
The other 10% of the time are from people that know its purpose is to be a vehicle for the communication of ideas, and will also make up statistics.
I love me some irony, and felt this comment train was more engaging than the post itself; so I’m contributing to its further development.
Yep, all good. Though in no way was I being a grammar Nazi, I was stating my opinion. I don’t bother with perfect punctuation because it’s not necessary to be instantly readable.
Also, my nephew told me that putting a full stop at the end of a sentence now is sometimes seen as a bit rude 😅 No idea why, but that’s ok, it’s still just as readable
Yeah, I heard mention about periods at the end of chat, comments, and txts make them seem more rude, since it’s supposed to be a more informal form of communication. I take it as them interpreting it as the sender being overly formal and strict, and dictating, as the reader is reading it in their mind, where the end of the message is.
Instead of letting them read it with an open invitation for a reply at the end, it communicates the sender doesn’t want to continue further down the topic - it adds a sense of finality to the thought when the person reads it, internally. It’s definitely something in language that’s part of a generational divide formed completely by the media it’s being conveyed in.
Yeah, he could be reading it the same as someone looking them straight in the face, judgmentally communicating “are you being dumb?”, when it could mean any number of things - like contemplating pensively or not knowing what to say.
The younger generation has had trouble with others watching and judging them in a lot of aspects in life - not just from real life interactions with the older gen, but also things like the constant barrage of being forcefully compared with peers on digital platforms that are incentivized to do so. It can manifest in a lot of aspects in interactions that leave them always feeling inadequate. Acting on that mindset, that could be how “…” can become a negative interaction instead of neutral.
More communication with you about it would probably help him untangle those signals, and learn to relax about it a little, though.
Also, unrelated to my wall-o-txt, I can’t get over my love of kbin’s transparency of upvotes and downvotes - after moving over, I can see exactly who is tossing them around. It prevents a whole lot of misunderstandings.
That’s kind an argument for not caring about spelling and grammar. We can all tell what Xepp meant. The principle at hand is why linguists say that insisting on rigid grammar and spelling is pointless. Also, language evolves… otherwise we’d be saying thy and thou. Dialects other than the ‘prestige dialect’ spoken and written by people with the highest access to education are considered perfectly legitimate because all that matters is whether the listener can understand…
I thought we were meant to be inclusive now? There’s a good chunk of us that literally can’t look past a sentence that’s like a car crash. It’s like an old vinyl record that’s got a scratch, our eyes keep jumping back to the horrible spelling and reading it again the same way you’d look at a dismembered corpse at the side of the road, despite not actually wanting to
Spelling and grammar are important. Language is only as useful as it is commonly and uniformly understood.
Agreed. Purposeful ignorance of spelling and grammar is basically saying to the person you’re typing to “I’m too lazy to learn simple concepts so you’ll have to spend extra time trying to parse my sentences”
Ironically, you have omitted punctuation.
90% of the time I see grammar nazis doing their thing, it’s never about protecting the “sanctity” of grammar - it’s more about exerting control and attempting to enjoy the feeling of being right.
The other 10% of the time are from people that know its purpose is to be a vehicle for the communication of ideas, and will also make up statistics.
I love me some irony, and felt this comment train was more engaging than the post itself; so I’m contributing to its further development.
Yep, all good. Though in no way was I being a grammar Nazi, I was stating my opinion. I don’t bother with perfect punctuation because it’s not necessary to be instantly readable.
Also, my nephew told me that putting a full stop at the end of a sentence now is sometimes seen as a bit rude 😅 No idea why, but that’s ok, it’s still just as readable
Your nephew is a dolt.
Full stop.
We call him Vileda due to his mop-like appearance
Yeah, I heard mention about periods at the end of chat, comments, and txts make them seem more rude, since it’s supposed to be a more informal form of communication. I take it as them interpreting it as the sender being overly formal and strict, and dictating, as the reader is reading it in their mind, where the end of the message is.
Instead of letting them read it with an open invitation for a reply at the end, it communicates the sender doesn’t want to continue further down the topic - it adds a sense of finality to the thought when the person reads it, internally. It’s definitely something in language that’s part of a generational divide formed completely by the media it’s being conveyed in.
Did an internet search after hearing it, and came across articles that bring it up; like https://www.npr.org/2020/09/05/909969004/before-texting-your-kid-make-sure-to-double-check-your-punctuation and https://writingcooperative.com/gen-z-hates-the-full-stop-47dde5ec2b5c
Though in almost the same sentence he said that “…” annoys him too. I find they have opposite meanings and he’s probably just a wee fanny
Yeah, he could be reading it the same as someone looking them straight in the face, judgmentally communicating “are you being dumb?”, when it could mean any number of things - like contemplating pensively or not knowing what to say.
The younger generation has had trouble with others watching and judging them in a lot of aspects in life - not just from real life interactions with the older gen, but also things like the constant barrage of being forcefully compared with peers on digital platforms that are incentivized to do so. It can manifest in a lot of aspects in interactions that leave them always feeling inadequate. Acting on that mindset, that could be how “…” can become a negative interaction instead of neutral.
More communication with you about it would probably help him untangle those signals, and learn to relax about it a little, though.
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Also, unrelated to my wall-o-txt, I can’t get over my love of kbin’s transparency of upvotes and downvotes - after moving over, I can see exactly who is tossing them around. It prevents a whole lot of misunderstandings.
“It’s not necessary to be instantly readable.”
Also: “I’m too lazy to learn simple concepts so you’ll have to spend extra time trying to parse my sentences”
Furthermore, you dropped some commas.
That’s kind an argument for not caring about spelling and grammar. We can all tell what Xepp meant. The principle at hand is why linguists say that insisting on rigid grammar and spelling is pointless. Also, language evolves… otherwise we’d be saying thy and thou. Dialects other than the ‘prestige dialect’ spoken and written by people with the highest access to education are considered perfectly legitimate because all that matters is whether the listener can understand…
Bill helped his brother, jack, off a horse.
Bill helped his brother jack off a horse
It doesn’t take much sometimes for a sentence to completely change meaning,l; at best we knew what he meant but struggled through it slightly.
Sure, that’s an example where we don’t understand the intent of the author.
I thought we were meant to be inclusive now? There’s a good chunk of us that literally can’t look past a sentence that’s like a car crash. It’s like an old vinyl record that’s got a scratch, our eyes keep jumping back to the horrible spelling and reading it again the same way you’d look at a dismembered corpse at the side of the road, despite not actually wanting to
Inclusiveness for purists!!!