I’m not trying to defend windows, it has a myriad of issues, but I’ve never understood the meme of it updating at inconvenient times. I run windows 11 pro, I set it to only update when i tell it to and it does… Like it’s never been a problem, wasn’t a problem in windows 10 or 7 pro either.
I don’t get it, am i windows whisperer and not know it?
I mean… There’s videos of it suddenly doing an update in the middle of people’s gaming/work sessions lol. I used to stream way back when windows updates were at their troll peak and had one kick off in the middle of a stream. It just happened randomly to some of us regardless of what was scheduled. I don’t imagine it happened more than once for too many people. Generally speaking it’s pretty good about sneaking updates in even though I detest how aggressive it is about them
As a software developer, I still struggle with windows fuckery. I have to manage about a dozen machines, each of which has different tasks, and sometimes they decide to just up and reboot for the mandatory update. While I am out of state.
Uhg. I spent time yesterday writing a windows service to perpetually send a WoL magic packet to those computers just to avoid this situation again. They may never shut off again.
There’s always the centrally managed corporate Windows desktops. My workplace is better about this now, but previously they’d just push down updates and with some of them you’d have little other choice but to let it proceed no matter how inconvenient the timing.
To this day, I still don’t understand what takes windows updates so dam long. Not sure about Mac, but Linux takes, what, 5 minutes at most if you’ve gone a while.
I hear it takes a long time on Macs too!
thankfully I don’t have this problem on my Gentoo
I’d be using Gentoo if not for installing software being something you have to plan for.
“Sorry boss I can’t come into work today, I need to install important security updates on my fifteen arch and/or gentoo desktops and servers.”
Exactly.
Can’t remember a windows update taking longer than 5 minutes. And even if it did take that long, you can just press “update and shutdown” when you stop using the pc. Windows has a lot of problems but this isn’t one of them.
If your computer is always running it may never take longer than five minutes. But try to leave your computer shut down for a month or more. Then updates accumulate and it can take really long to make them.
A lot of it happens in the backgound. It is at least a 15-30 minute process from start to finish. Very annoying if you have an older computer as it is sucks up a lot of resources updating during the background updates.
I normally don’t ever shutdown or restart my desktop. I like leaving program and stuff running so I can continue what I am doing when I get back. With an update I have to close out all of my shit and then shutdown and open everything back up.
I also swear when you have updates pending on a restart the computer doesn’t run very well.
I see now. I have pretty beefy computer so I haven’t noticed that. I also shutdown my computer every night so it’s still not problem for me.
Another issue is that windows will eventually force a reboot on you with pending updates. You can postpone it for a while, but eventually you’ll be in the middle of something and it will just do it anyways.
This is, in some regards, similar to rape…
Edit: to clarify,
Another issue is that
windowsa predatory person will eventuallyforce a reboot onrape you with pendingupdatesupknocking. You can sometimes postpone it for a while, but eventually you’ll be in the middle of something anditthey will just do it anyways.Hopefully, we’ll agree that rape is much worse, but the underlying principle is the same: some entity abuses something you own - your body/property. Since you’re the owner, you exclusively should be in control.
Unfortunately, it can sometimes be necessary to leave an abusive partner/OS. This can be challenging if you “need” one but they’re all evil and dominating. M$ is not abusing its users as violently as some people are abusing their partners. However, their subtle abuse of their users takes place on a much bigger scale. Not only in this (pretty unimportant) regard, but also by e.g. unwanted telemetry/tracking. Luckily, non-abusive partners of the Linux family are becoming easier to find and date, and many are already flirting with one or more of them.
Bruh what
I’ve clarified my answer.
I still believe the name should be Linux Subsystem for Windows. The other way around sound like Proton
That would require Microsoft admitting they come in second.
The one Microshaft fanboi downvoting you for speaking facts 🤣
There is always one…
It is a subsystem of Windows that Linux runs in. It’s not a subsystem of Linux.
Windows is the system. It’s the host operating system. It created a subsystem specifically for running a child operating system. In this case, Linux
It actually makes sense. It’s a subsystem in Windows (therefore a windows subsystem) that makes Linux work
Microsoft has always been terrible at naming things. And at developing things. And at literally everything.
Except VSCode for some reason. VSCode is great.
Say that to the face of a hardcore Vim or Emacs user and enjoy the essay.
In what world would Microsoft allow the Linux name to appear before Windows? If MS were a person, they would be diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
WSL, the best example of how absolute freedom will be misused!
what does windows updates have to do with WSL
WSL exists on a Windows system which means you’re still subject to Microsoft’s rather insane update practices.
I once tried wsl on my work machine instead of having to deal with cygwin or msys2. Unfortunately the virus scanner didn’t like that a whole lot and my account was locked. Man do I love enterprise problems on top of normal problems.
That must have been an incredibly shitty virus scanner if it complains about Windows features.
Enterprise security software tends to err much more on the side of caution.
There are plenty of Windows features who’s usage will flag because they are also favourite tactics by actual threats, such as Powershell one liners. Bonus if it’s in Base64.
WSL allowed my stupid Windows desktop to run Pihole. Very cool? Meh.
Not as cool as running Pihole on an old android phone. Somehow that’s much more stable.
Everything that doesn’t involve Microsoft is more stable.
Meh, Microsoft has put out some shitty fucking software but Windows XP, 7, and 10 were tight.
The only time any of these OS’s fell apart was when I downloaded viruses from sketchy sites.
The security on XP was comically bad. When people say “physical access is full access,” they aren’t even considering XP despite it being the textbook definition to the phrase. You were able to access the command line without even logging in.
Yeah, i found an old laptop running xp that had a password i didn’t know, was ridiculously easy to reset it, just reboot to safe mode and change it there
Well yeah, stable running on unstable is still unstable. Cant’t build a fundament on sand. etc.
I think the word you’re looking for is “foundation” lol
fundament
noun- The buttocks.
- The anus.
- The natural features of a land surface unaltered by humans.
In practice the word is almost always used in the adjective form “fundamental”, which actually refers more to a foundation than a fundament.
My director got knocked off in the middle of a call where we were trying to establish requirements with a specialist due to a Windows update. I would have laughed if these guys weren’t worth so much.
Should have laughed if this was a corporate device. They ignored the continuous popups for too long and was forced into compliance at an inconvenient time because they couldn’t be bothered to reboot at the end of the day for likely 2 weeks.
Our corporate devices are set to update and reboot automatically. This is set to happen in the evenings and usually works, but sometimes does not. I leave my device online and powered on 24/7 and still get caught by midday updates that were scheduled for 2am.
