The video is bombastic, even by Mr Trump’s standards. Just consider the title: God Made Trump.

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    doesn’t the Bible specifically warn about people like Trump?

    For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

    — 2 Timothy 3:2–5, English Standard Version

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      Yes, but it doesn’t matter, these people don’t read the Bible. For them, it’s just an excuse to do whatever it is they’re doing.

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        Yes, but it doesn’t matter, these people don’t read the Bible.

        They do read the Bible though, at least in my experience. I’ve gone to a number of different churches, Evangelical and otherwise, and the Evangelical or otherwise Calvinist folks were the ones that read the Bible the most and in the most detail — but perhaps also the ones who came to horrible conclusions the most often. Like that you should shine the light of Christ into the world by blocking women for promotion at your job, because 1 Tim 2:12 says that Paul does not permit them to have authority over men. (Real example, if possibly the worst one I’ve seen.) Maybe my experience is not representative, but I don’t think the problem is primarily that Evangelicals don’t read the Bible.

        I have a long theory about some of the ways that Evangelicalism distorts Scripture, but one root of the issue is that (IMHO) Scripture was written by humans, reflects the biases of the authors and their societies, and has a lot of horrible things in it. If you take a sola scriptura view and then read it through a lens that’s been cultivated over years to reinforce patriarchy and supremacy (see e.g. Manifest Destiny, the curse of Ham, etc) then you will end up absorbing the genocidal and supremacist bits and not the hospitable and altruistic bits.

        For them, it’s just an excuse to do whatever it is they’re doing.

        For sure. People don’t want to repent. They want to find justifications for what they were already doing, or planning to do.

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          Grew up Reformed Christian and you hit the nail on the head… Or hand, or whatever.

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    “There’s a portion of the evangelical community that’s very attracted to the idea that God knows everything and God appoints leaders,” he said. “They believe that Donald Trump is the appointed leader at this moment in time.”

    “‭‭Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.”

    – Romans‬ ‭13:1‬ ‭NIV‬‬

    Except, of course, if the current leader is a Democrat.

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    A key line for me …

    “Would you rather have someone whose tongue is maybe a little wild, but has incredibly good policies that make your life better?” he asked the congregation. “Or someone who has a silver tongue and says all the right things and has terrible policies which ruin your life and those of your children and grandchildren?”

    Partly out of confirmation bias as I’ve been saying this since before his victory in 2016 and highlighting it as the thing lefty/intellectual/“elites” don’t get about his appeal. Trump hits the “right” buttons while his wildness, lack of “refinement” and apparent sense-making are all features. So many want “change” … Trump is “change”, right from his personal nature and demeanour.


    Another …

    And he said that the decline in church attendance over time had meant that many of those who considered themselves religious were less influenced by spiritual leaders and more by right-wing media and politicians - Mr Trump foremost among them.

    Oh … JFC!! I suppose this is a good predictor of how the west collapses. Deepening class separation across all spheres of civil life allowing chaotic manipulation by demagogues. Can’t help but think of the fall of the Roman Republic and Dune here. Also can’t help but think that the whole Hitchens/Dawkins anti-religion thing, which feels like it got a bit old for the mainstream, really has an essentially important fundamental point … as a whole type of institution and cultural phenomenon, it may simply not be worth it on the whole.

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      By the way: His rambling does make sense.

      Informally many people do speak in half sentences, zig zagging on tangents, especially schizophrenics. It takes a lot of energy to follow if you are not used to it and Republicans think we are the stupid ones for not being able to follow.

      Try to follow his much derided nuclear uncle speech. It isn’t that hard when you give it a go.

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        His rambling does make sense.

        He just spent an entire speech confusing his own press secretary with Nanci Pelosi…

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          He confused former house speaker, and now presidential rival, Nikki Haley with Pelosi.

          Didn’t know he also confused his press secretary with Pelosi too. You sure about that? I can’t find it online.

          He also claimed he ran against Obama.