Feminism has often spoken out against the draft, recently and historically. And the majority of feminist scholars and groups are anti-war and anti-military in general.
Stop trying to push this on feminism. Being anti-feminist isn’t the way to tackle men’s issues.
Preposterous. Egalitarian would be with a view to bettering everyone’s rights to the same level, not worsening one’s rights to the level of the other’s.
The same ones that are against traditional gender roles. I don’t think they’d argue for mandatory military service so much as no one should be forced to serve in a war
Then why no big vocal outcry when Russia attacked Ukraine and Ukraine allowed women, children and the elderly to flee if they could, but men who were hypothetically of fighting age were required to stay?
A lot of feminists in the US supported the Equal Rights Amendment, which would have made women eligible for the draft. The fact that women would’ve been eligible for the draft was used by anti-feminist groups as a fake feminist argument against the ERA.
I’ve also heard plenty of feminists complain about “men’s” and “women’s” sanitation products, including men for whom women’s razors work better and women for whom men’s razors work better.
A lot of feminists in the US supported the Equal Rights Amendment, which would have made women eligible for the draft. The fact that women would’ve been eligible for the draft was used by anti-feminist groups as a fake feminist argument against the ERA.
Most MRAs would LOVE to see the ERA passed, so long as it was passed without that rider that basically enshrined any kind of traditional benefits for women. And by that I mean that were the ERA to pass groups like NCFM would be launching entire fleets of lawsuits nationwide.
But then, there are all kinds of laws I’m amazed manage to stand without being tossed on equal protection grounds, even without the ERA.
For example, all the laws that exist to punish men who fail to register for Selective Service (because charging them with failure to register is so unpopular it hasn’t been enforced since the 80s), by requiring you provide proof of registration in order to get access to various benefits or jobs if male. Meaning (for example) male applicants literally have one more requirement to get state jobs or be admitted to state colleges in my state.
Or the Affordable Care Act, since the contraception coverage mandate applies to all categories (but not all brands within each category) of women’s contraception, including barrier methods but do not apply at all to any form of men’s contraception (even noting there are currently only two approved by the FDA at all - condoms and vasectomy).
I’ve also heard plenty of feminists complain about “men’s” and “women’s” sanitation products, including men for whom women’s razors work better and women for whom men’s razors work better.
They were talking about sanitation jobs, not sanitation products. Feminists routinely fight for equality in high-status cushy office jobs, but not so much in things like sanitation workers which are also heavily male dominated. It’s just another example where equality is great so long as being more equal benefits women, and if it doesn’t then we should just ignore it or even fight against it (see shared custody laws).
Yeah… you don’t see feminists complaining about fair representation in sanitation industries.
Same goes for the draft.
Feminism has often spoken out against the draft, recently and historically. And the majority of feminist scholars and groups are anti-war and anti-military in general. Stop trying to push this on feminism. Being anti-feminist isn’t the way to tackle men’s issues.
Can you show me evidence of ‘feminism often speaking out against the draft’?
Also, how come you completely ignored my point about feminists ignoring fair representation in less-desirable jobs?
It depends on the feminist, but feminism itself is actually pretty egalitarian
Where are you seeing feminism and feminists advocating for mandatory militarily service for women?
Why should they?
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To be egalitarian
Preposterous. Egalitarian would be with a view to bettering everyone’s rights to the same level, not worsening one’s rights to the level of the other’s.
I dont think murder should be a right.
The same ones that are against traditional gender roles. I don’t think they’d argue for mandatory military service so much as no one should be forced to serve in a war
Then why no big vocal outcry when Russia attacked Ukraine and Ukraine allowed women, children and the elderly to flee if they could, but men who were hypothetically of fighting age were required to stay?
A lot of feminists in the US supported the Equal Rights Amendment, which would have made women eligible for the draft. The fact that women would’ve been eligible for the draft was used by anti-feminist groups as a fake feminist argument against the ERA.
I’ve also heard plenty of feminists complain about “men’s” and “women’s” sanitation products, including men for whom women’s razors work better and women for whom men’s razors work better.
Most MRAs would LOVE to see the ERA passed, so long as it was passed without that rider that basically enshrined any kind of traditional benefits for women. And by that I mean that were the ERA to pass groups like NCFM would be launching entire fleets of lawsuits nationwide.
But then, there are all kinds of laws I’m amazed manage to stand without being tossed on equal protection grounds, even without the ERA.
For example, all the laws that exist to punish men who fail to register for Selective Service (because charging them with failure to register is so unpopular it hasn’t been enforced since the 80s), by requiring you provide proof of registration in order to get access to various benefits or jobs if male. Meaning (for example) male applicants literally have one more requirement to get state jobs or be admitted to state colleges in my state.
Or the Affordable Care Act, since the contraception coverage mandate applies to all categories (but not all brands within each category) of women’s contraception, including barrier methods but do not apply at all to any form of men’s contraception (even noting there are currently only two approved by the FDA at all - condoms and vasectomy).
They were talking about sanitation jobs, not sanitation products. Feminists routinely fight for equality in high-status cushy office jobs, but not so much in things like sanitation workers which are also heavily male dominated. It’s just another example where equality is great so long as being more equal benefits women, and if it doesn’t then we should just ignore it or even fight against it (see shared custody laws).