I am a plebe who doesn’t understand these things but what exactly does cloudflare do? I see it popping up more and more often redirecting before visiting a site. I assume that this has something to do with bot traffic? It seems like every mention of cloudflare is about how it ruined someone’s day.

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    The short answer is: A bit of both, really.

    The longer answer is pretty detailed and would include all the positive things they have done as well as the negative things they have done and the unintended consequences of having so much of the internet “behind” Cloudlfare.

    It’s sadly not a cut-and-dry situation, they’ve definitely added some cool, positive stuff to the world. They’ve also created a mangled mess for a lot of people where they’re blocked from accessing certain parts of the web because Cloudflare is throwing down a false-positive and thinks they’re a “bad actor.”

    I would say it’s up to individual interpretation if they’re doing more “breaking” or more “fixing.” For some, far more is broken than fixed, and for others, it’s the opposite.

    I fall in the “more is fixed than broken” camp, but the “more is broken than fixed” camp have plenty of evidence to support their assertions. I am not really willing to ignore the downsides just because they don’t affect me personally.

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    Mostly breaking it. They’re centralizing stuff and nowadays lots of services depend on that single service provider. And the original idea of the internet was to make everyone equal and have some resilience against single points of failure. That’s kind of detrimental to the whole idea.

    Secondly, you unencrypt your traffic and send it to them plain so they can read everything. That may or may not be an issue for your use-case, but I like privacy and encryption and no third parties reading my messages.

    And the question is: What do you need their service for? I understand that a tunnel is useful if you’re behind a NAT. But the DDoS protection and attack prevention is mostly snake-oil for most people. It’s often unnecessary, the free tier doesn’t include any of the interesting stuff and it’s questionable if most people get targeted by DDoS attacks anyways. And as I heard if it comes to that point, they will cease service to you anyways and want to see money ($240 to $2.400 per year.) So I don’t see a good reason why you’d use Cloudflare in the first place. Unless you need a tunnel or subscribe to one of the more expensive plans. Otherwise it only has downsides.

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    Hard to answer your question because it’s a mixed bag.

    As tech gets cheaper, it gets easier and easier to do malicious things.

    On the small scale: I used to host my tech blog on a rinky dink raspberry pi.

    I was getting hundreds of funny bot visits a hour, as they try to pen test and find any vulnerabilities. And that was after I set up some tools to block weird IPs. Two years ago, I was getting thousands, and the numbers kept growing. It didn’t hit a point where user experience was taking a hit, but at some point it will.

    I could get a beefier system (more expensive), or I can just sign up for cloudflare. And now the management of that layer is handled by Cloudflare, so I can focus on coding.

    Now to talk About the enterprise level: same thing but hundreds of times more. We were actually getting DDos. We originally didn’t want to use Cloudflare, and instead use in-house solutions. But after a hefty trial and seeing our AWS expenses skyrocket, we swapped to Cloudflare.

    Signed up, swapped over to Cloudflare, and instant uptake. We are also paying a fraction compared to our in-house solution.

    It sounds like a freaking ad for cloudflare.

    But one thing I don’t like is Cloudflare can easily monopolize the internet. As we all switch, Cloudflare now has a lot of power to tell sites to fuck off if they don’t like their content. Cloudflare hasn’t yet. They keep up White Power websites and racist shit. But they have taken down calls of violence and online gambling.

    If you have your day ruined by Cloudflare, I’m going to either assume you run a bot network, you’re trying to do something incorrectly, or you are part of the dark web.