• Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    we are talking about your “taxonomy”

    No. That’s what you are trying to forum slide to.

    I’m sticking to the point that online casinos are scammy, including legitimate, regulated operators.

    You might not be able to distinguish a legitimate casinos by a fake one,

    Not just me. Any average Joe.

    but if in your opinion legitimate ones also rig games, this is irrelevant.

    Your doggedness for wanting agreement that some casino games may not be rigged is impressive

    what users can tell is a completely separate problem.

    But a problem very much related to “what’s wrong with online casinos”.

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      5 months ago

      Indeed I want to make a distinction. Because thinking legitimate casinos rig games is completely different from thinking scammy ones do.

      In fact, you had no argument whatsoever to prove those do, including your external sources that recommended basically in all cases to stick to licensed sites, proving that there is a difference (duh). On the other hand, having worked in the industry and understanding both how casinos integrate games and how compliance works, I have explained to you why there are generally not technical means AND no economic incentive for legitimate casinos to rig games.

      I will repeat the points for you:

      • legitimate casinos undergo certification and audits. Every piece of code change is analyzed periodically and so does the functionality of basically everything on the sites.
      • most importantly, casinos don’t develop games, they purchase them from providers. They don’t have access to the code, as games are served directly by the maker, so they can’t change the code to tweak odds.
      • the game makers don’t have any incentive of jeopardizing their whole business to let a customer earn more money illegally.

      The above applies to essentially every licensed casino, every legitimate casino.

      You failed to acknowledge any of these points, and you argued for 15 comments about scammy websites, bringing now the conversation back to where we started.

      The reason why I want an agreement that legitimate (not some!) casinos don’t rig games is specifically because I provided arguments (technical and economical) for why that’s the case. So your refusal to make any distinction while also refusing to provide any proof to support your claim just results in a vague and messy discussion, exactly like your insane definition of “online casinos” that includes scam websites. You refuse to be accurate :)

      But a problem very much related to “what’s wrong with online casinos”.

      It’s not. It’s something casinos (real ones) can’t do anything about, the same way banks or shops can’t do anything about. This is an extremely tiny problem because official means exist to recognize legitimate ones since there are trusted authorities that certify them. In fact, given the existence of central national authorities it is much easy to be sure that a casino is legitimate than a shop, for example. I will tell you more: rigged games (and therefore fake casinos) are a MINOR problem in the industry in general. It is absolutely a terrible argument to say what’s wrong with casinos, because it’s something the vast majority of the people will never even encounter in a life of gambling. However, there are plenty of reasons why casinos can be considered bad based on the regular operations of legitimate casinos, not based on your fairytales.

      So yes, I am stuck on wanting an acknowledgement that legitimate casinos don’t rig games because I know how that works, unlike you. Here is how I conclude this conversation, since we are at a moot point:

      If you fail to acknowledge tha rigging games is very very unlikely (I will keep the theoretical possibility in case there are suicidal CEOs) in legitimate casinos, then I will call your argument bullshit until you have any proof. Specifically, you should explain what economic incentive do legitimate casinos (licensed) to rig games, and how do you think they can do that. If you fail to provide any argument in support of this while also refusing to make a distinction in your original claim, then I know you are arguing in bad faith, so I will simply block you and move on.