Like, do we feel more pain than a fish would? More euphoria than mice could feel?

  • Bobby Bandwidth@lemmy.world
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    Why do you assume we have a higher state of awareness? I would start by defining what you mean there because it’s relative. Elephants are very aware, dolphins have fucking sonar, birds can feel the magnetic fields of the earth. Humans tend to think how they experience the world and reality is a “higher state” but that is a false assumption, imo.

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    Probably the opposite.

    Our “higher reasoning” and “state of awareness” (needs defining) gives us the ability to do thigns other animals can’t. For example chronic pain sufferers are taught how to manage their pain with a variety of CBT techniques. Not something you can teach a dog or cat.

    People in intense periods of intense suffering may have thw ability to dissociate from the experience (“go to their happy place”) to lessen the pain experience.

    We’re not aware animal shave this ability.

    If anything mammals of all kinds that feel pain don’t have our higher cognitive ability to help manage and supress it.

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      I have been stung by bees/wasps several times, and the times when I was youngest and the least self aware were the worst. I was in absolute screaming agony as a small child. Then one day as an adult I was startled to be stung and found the experience to be completely different. Sure, it hurt and was really sharp like someone just jabbed a needle into me, but my response was to laugh, not cry. I also have the capacity to just not give a fuck (I recognize the cause of the pain isn’t going to kill me) when I’m in a fair bit of pain and just do something else (provided I can still physically move, which isn’t always a given) and this is helpful for tuning it out.

      So from my personal experience, I would say absolutely: animals have it worse, not better.

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    Having seen my dogs uncontained levels of excitement and euphoria as well as grumpy and depressed days first hand I would say not.

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    Ive heard ppl say stuff like “oh that animal doesnt feel pain it’s not intelligent” but idk i always just assume the animal has feeling and could be hurt… so thats why i havent been able to kill bugs. (Bc you can see their eyes and stuff! Theyre alive and everything.)

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    Maybe pain and pleasure resulting from emotions/psychological sources? Pain and pleasure are pretty essential for creatures to not do the bad things and to do the good things for the survival of their species. Otherwise, they die of hunger or get permanently maimed without even realizing it.

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    We say that we as humans have “higher reasoning” but most of, if not all of, our reasoning is predicated on animal instincts. People are capable of thinking through their actions and emotions and such, sure. Those same people also don’t always do so. How many times have you or someone you know let their emotions get the better of them, even if they are “aware” of them? That’s not really any different from a spooked horse running off or a hurt dog trying to bite the person trying to help.

    “Higher awareness” is much the same. In fact many animals have senses far greater than ours (like a dog’s sense of smell) or which we lack entirely (like sonar.)

    All mammals at least have similar brain structures with the same general set of glands and functions. Even the way humans think and feel and reason is different from one another, but we can still identify core emotions in one another. I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that just because animals don’t experience the world exactly like us, doesn’t mean they don’t have similar feelings and reasons for feeling those things.

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    Depends on several factors and your definition, specially physical vs. psycological.

    For example raw fear and happiness is usually quite a bit lower in adult humans than animals. Animals will do things like pass out from excitement, soil themselves out of fear, etc. and although this does happen a bit with human children it is much more rare in adults.

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    I think we are more capable of analyzing the emotions we feel, which probably makes them more intense.

    If I’m dying, and I know I’m going too die, I will be thinking about my family and what my death might do to them. If I’m a deer, I doubt I’m thinking about all that while I’m doing. I think that adds a level of intensity to it.