7bicycles [he/him]

If you’re talking to libs obviously the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is any and all of those, why would they be named such otherwise

More like a Tontine HEYOOOOOOooohhh :(

One of the worst things you can do to the environment folks. Don’t bear children. Don’t invite another being into this madness and suffering.

As is continuing to live so why don’t you follow through on that line of thought here

Like me personally or like societally?

Plan’s right there mate. Early retirement at 0 loss after an age cutoff, 5 year former wages for the rest, have some of the boffins at the Wirtschaftsministerium calculate where the cut-off makes sense economically, done. Fuck just reuse the plans from when you dismantled any given organisation in the 90s - 2000s, I’m sure they’re still around, could be used for good for ones. This is not a hard thing to do, logistically.

No one here likes the coal generators. […]so even obviously good paths will face pushback, like from entire regions whose jobs are in the coal industry.

This in itself is contradictory but even despite that, there’s 20.000 people left with jobs in the coal industry. You could give everyone over like the age of 50 their pension as if they worked till the regular pension age and then re-train everybody else with very generous benefits for the interrim time of like 5 years and it would be orders of magnitude cheaper than keeping that system rolling.

oh, quite understandable. I do appreciate EVs when I’M stuck behind one at a traffic light for not gassing me.

The problem with your point is your reinventing the homo oeconomicus except for transportation. The underlying assumption is that if only the public transit (walkability, bikeability, what-have-you-ability) is good enough, people would not drive their cars.

And there’s truth to it insofar as you take something like Phoenix, AZ or something and just make cars more expensive it ain’t gonna do shit except fleece people. But Paris isn’t that, at some point you have to grapple with the fact that you also have to actively get people out of cars via incentives to do so because there’s a sizeable amount of people who are terribly, terribly car brained and will not change, because they’re not being rational about it.

I mean, much the same, but I’m kind of split whether they’re meaningfully better. Unless it’s smog smog I have some ways to avoid car exhaust, like not standing directly beside it, where I live even the law allows for that. I don’t put down enough watts to transport myself to a stable orbit.

But, just to be clear, this is me arguing against all cars, not pro gasoline cars over electric cars

One electric car is better than one gasoline car, because electric cars don’t fart toxic gases into the air where everyone’s trying to breathe.

Nah, the fart particles are still there though and those get worse with weight

Congestion pricing simply creates a penalty for people without providing them with alternative.

Are you seriously arguing you can’t get around Paris without a car lol?

Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.

Real Zach Brannigan hours here on account of “It might get a lot of other people killed but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make”

You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.

What part of this is fantasy. Like where do you see the political potential for a nigh nationwide road redesign.

A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.

I do not want to die a martyr to the fight against traffic cams.

Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious.

That kind of poses the second question as to what, in the interim, will be cut as per budget, but that’s a sidenote. I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads, when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned. Once you have the change so far reaching that you can reunderstand basically every road, yeah, then you don’t need the traffic cams anymore and they can be dismantled.

Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.

Fair, I meant it more on “don’t do it on my accord”

I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people

Your these people just seems to have some very oddly drawn lines is the heart of it. It does include poor drivers, to whom speed cameras are a problem and not that much of a solution, it does not seem to include poor people not in a car, who profit from this. My FALGSOC doesn’t have speed cameras in it - who’s would - but it’s a long way from here to there.

deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder. It seems like spite to me.

This is running on the assumption that I think people deserve to be fucked over for speeding, and that’s the main motivation. Sure, some of them, but that’s not the kind of distinction a speed cam could make on account of how it works. I’d very much be open to them not issuing fines but other punishments - as appropiate - to not make them so classist. Loss of driving license, if you really, really fuck up in a sports car that gets impounded or such, but I’ll concede, even that is far out from today, but just to point it out,

My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration. They’re not a good solution, by any means, again, I assume our optimal way of solving it is quite similar. For the meantime though, the fuck else do you do? Just abandon all traffic enforcement until all the roads get fixed? So what, 20 years of being vulnerable road users being even more endangered than now?

You can just say yes, you don’t have to couch this shit in a good WKUK skit.

Do they do harm to the poor that are on bicycles, or walking, then?

The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same.

Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?

Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price).

Dunno if you got to that one already but I’ve did a reply pointing out where you’re a bit off there

You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.

I’ve posed this question elsewhere in this thread and: what until then? Like what do you do until a good, what, 50 - 90% of road depending on criteria, is redesigned?

Fuck urban rents, how about that?

Boy I wonder where we might be able to find lots and lots of space within a city for new construction to densify it.

The thing is you’re just not right. EVs serve to save the car, not the world.

It’s not like without EVs, so many people would be rushing to areas of greater density and riding public transit, so your message

Correct! Which is why you should fight cars in general, cause then that happens

love to have people in management who cannot for the life of them manage their own workload or inbox. I don’t even know when I last got a response from my manager for anything, I just send it to the void at this point as shit falls apart