SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]

“YOU SAY NATO IS AN IMPERIALIST GENOCIDAL ORGANIZATION B-B-BUT W-WHAT ABOUT RUSSIA??? WHAT ABOUT MUH HECKING RUSSIA???”

I can call it a fascist organization because it is one. For the 100th time, I know Russia is a neoliberal state with a Nazi problem too, however I am not going to fall for state department propaganda and place the majority of the responsibility for this mess solely on Russia to minimize the gross involvement of the imperialist white supremacist settler-colonial extractive project that is NATO. It was a bad move of them to escalate tensions, but it was even worse for NATO to come in and destabilize the fucking region in the first place in 2014 with euromaidan and actively oppose peaceful negotiations as the war drags on and hundreds of thousands of ordinary people like you or I suffer and die in a hell on earth. Can you understand this?

Nobody wanted this war, this is purely Russia’s doing. Just because Ukraine has some marginal neo-nazi groups doesn’t mean the country is run by Nazis.

Are you fucking kidding me? What are you even talking about? You didn’t read a single word of the post you are replying to and are just parroting off whatever talking points Murdoch gave you to manufacture consent for NATOs proxy war.

Are you actually saying that the West, after first and foremost destroying the region, causing human suffering on an untold scale, in the 90s with neoliberal economic warfare and cynically maneuvering back in to promise a bandaid for the bullet wound they inflicted on Ukraine to encircle an enemy nation, is a force for good in this situation???

You seem to simply use fascism as a synonym for bad without even understanding what it is.

Projection for 200, Chuck. Are you implying that the American empire, currently emmiserating and genociding the 3rd world based on a white supremacist agenda, the very fucking inspiration for Hitlers lebensraum… isnt fascist???

The “West” is a white supremacist construct too based on an alliance of colonial powers btw.

The great irony is you’re so caught up in this baseless rhetoric believing that you’re fighting fascists that you end up supporting a textbook fascist government

Projection for 300, Chuck! You think Russia is doing imperialist lebensraum like Germany or America before it so you project the entire bloody ideological superstructure and endgoal of the west onto it (which at least you recognize as evil) and thus somehow mental gymnasticize yourself into supporting the a war pushed by the actual set of powers who performed such imperialist ventures.

All in all you’re conflating peace negotiations with surrender because it will “reward Russias bad behavior” (paternalistic ahistorical fascist nonsense) and therefore unironically doing a “War is peace.” Because you are a demonic warmonger who wants nothing but rivers of Slavic blood and money for Ratheon.

You’re not the left. The left hates you.

Projection for $100, Chuck. We’re not the ones advocating for the global interests of white supremacist fascist nations in their genocide of the third world.

You’re just bloodthirsty edgelords being astroturfed by Russian paid trolls.

“ERRYONE I DONT LIKE IS M-MUH RUSSIAN BOTERINOS!!!” I hope you’re memeing because this is going into the realm of unhinged conspiracy theories otherwise.

you just want Russia to win the war. You’re the person watching George Floyd getting choked to death here and says “well it’s his fault for resisting.”

1. No, we don’t want there to be a fucking war in the first place, a peace deal is not a loss for either side except NATO because they don’t get to destabilize another region with a forever war like how they did with Afghanistan.

inb4 “muh russia must b punished”!!!

the lack of nuance you have about this situation truly reveals that you’re just a puppet mouthpiece for NATO’s fascist, warmongering propaganda to further its interests in the region through bloody conflict.

2. The 8 year war between Russia and Ukraine (NATO) is the same as america doing systemic genocide against black people after enslaving them for over 400 years, and, even after, doing everything in their power to make the life of a black person in america a truly miserable experience, yes. What a fucking disgusting comparison and minimization of america’s evil.

The only thing separating you from actual fascists is username pronouns.

Imagine seething this much over pronouns lmao

And again, how are peace talks and settling matters via negotiation being “in favor of a fascist government”? Why are you so in favor of expanding the global influence of a fascist organisation (NATO) via the continuation of the war? Why are you opposed to the people of the Donbas being free from the horrors of civil war at the hands of the Ukranian military? Did you know that the majority of people in the Donbas are ethnic russians, and are pro-separatist? Did you know that this is the reason why Ukraine started shelling the fuck out of them and decided to sic their Nazi dogs on them in 2014? Why are you in favor of continuing a bloody war when a mutually beneficial agreement for all sides, even with respect to pre war conditions, can be reached from peaceful negotiation?

Nobody actually thinks russia is a force for good in this situation, its just that an end of hostilities for the drafting of a peace agreement is much better for the people.

Ukrainian people voted in favor of a western friendly government

Your Ukranian “people”:

(its mostly fascist paramilitaries funded by god knows who)

Your “voting”:

(there was no democractic referendum held to oust the president)

Also, the west itself is a white supremacist fascist entity who went to Ukraine in 2014 to put pressure on Russia by cutting off potential allies. They are not the good guys.

What I don’t understand, though, is why a bunch of self proclaimed communists are so in favor of expanding the global influence of a post-fascist government.

Again, how are peace talks and settling matters via negotiation being “in favor of a fascist government”? Why are you so in favor of expanding the global influence of a fascist organisation (NATO) via the continuation of the war? Why are you opposed to the people of the Donbas being free from the horrors of civil war at the hands of the Ukranian military? Did you know that the majority of people in the Donbas are ethnic russians, and are pro-separatist? Did you know that this is the reason why Ukraine started shelling the fuck out of them and decided to sic their Nazi dogs on them in 2014? Why are you in favor of continuing a bloody war when a mutually beneficial agreement for all sides, even with respect to pre war conditions, can be reached from peaceful negotiation?

Their wartime Z symbol is essentially a half drawn swastika, like how do you not see it?

This is projection, the left has consistently been anti war this entire time, yet liberals are on the side of outright fascists in the ukranian military being given experimental weapons when they are not outright denying they exist.

No, the heads of NATO, Ukraine and Russia shouldn’t be rewarded for their acts of violence against the people of Russia and Ukraine. All sides should withdraw from the territories in which they are not welcome by the people.

Also Russia didn’t invade Ukraine to “gain new territory”, do you know when the war started?

(Furthermore its important to clarify that although Russia is a neoliberal hellpit, NATO, using Ukraine as a meat shield for their interests, is way, way worse, literally headed by one of the most evil countries that ever existed: the USA, as such, it is foolish to trust that anything they do in this situation will help the people of Ukraine, including dump military hardware into the region for disposal and testing)

Ok, but how is supporting a peace deal to facilitate the outcome of russian forces withdrawing a fascist position?

How is wanting a war to end without more innocent lives being lost “supporting” a fascist government?

Why r they fascist?

Its not nice to call ppl shills m8

OMG YESSS ICE DRAGON COOL!!!

Anyways, you have the right idea about it being unjust that those who start wars of aggression reap benefits from starting them. That is why it is best for both Russia and Ukraine to resolve this using peaceful negotiations, as the reason why america is pouring military hardware into the latter is to bolster its own war of aggression against Russia motivated by cynical geopolitical interests.

This current conflict has a long and bloody history stretching way back from 2014 till now. It is called the “Russo-Ukranian war” and started with the Euromaidan incident when the EU used far right groups to antidemocratically depose a pro-Russian Ukranian president and plant someone who is more aligned with their agenda so that they could put pressure on Russia, as Russia was starting to get unfriendly towards the American trading bloc.

As such, the true nature of this conflict is an awful proxy war between Russia and NATO (america), where innocents suffer and the rich get richer.

Therefore, I think we would both agree that it is not good for america to send more weapons to Ukraine as this would be fulfilling america’s own selfish geopolitical interests using the lives of innocent Ukranians.

Nice profile too btw

Not really imo, a sudden collapse of america would create chaotic power vacuums but they mostly be internally localized to america and countries completely dominated by america. Countries on the periphery would not immediately jump to fill the power vacuum molded to a white-supremacist settler-colonial hegemon as they do not have the material basis to fill such a role.

Furthermore, such a framing takes for granted that the current world is run by an orderly, functional system made up of countries subservient to a hegemon when in fact, the current situation is quite chaotic, as we live in “interesting times”. It is moreso a complex, multipolar situation made up of blocs with competing interests, and its just that one bloc mainly headed by one country is getting its way. Unfortunately, this country is america, with an agenda fundamentally inseparable with the extraction and genocide of other civilized nations. Other blocs do have their own interests, but it is unlikely they would be as bloodthirsty as america.

Moreover, even if things somehow do lead to war, historically, during the time of chaos highlighted earlier, one of the greatest socialist experiments, the USSR, was born. And for a time, there was hope for a better future in the world.

At the end of the day the preparedness and struggle of socialist movements worldwide will decide what will happen if such a situation occurs.

If US hegemony ended today, it would mean immediate war […] The US is far and away the most powerful military in the world, and without the threat of the US military intervening on behalf of its allies, those conflicts are nowhere near as one-sided as they are today. […]

See, the problem here is that all the potential apocalyptic conflicts between american allies and other nations are contingent on the existence of american foreign meddling in the first place. The global conditions of multipolarity between now and WW1 are different. The reason for animosity between america’s allies and their neighbors is that the neocolonial western powers, headed by america, are using these allies as pawns, puppets to further their own interests within these regions against its enemies. It would instead be more accurate to say that if america’s enemies were weaker militarily and economically, america would be able to swoop in and destroy their people via a combination of hard and soft power using its allies as forward operating bases. I am not saying that the enemies of america are perfect nations, however, in the absence of american meddling, they have been shown to pursue more peaceful and mutually beneficial international relations with neutral nations, as opposed to outright warfare and economic genocide, as america does.

As such, if there is no america, then there would be no threat of slaughter for its enemies through its allies, and therefore there would be no more reason for the sort of animosity that could spiral into a nuclear war. The enemies of america, due to their position, are generally intelligent geopolitically, and do not possess the historical legacy of being colonial empires. If america truly fell, then they won’t start wars against a now nonexistent enemy for no good reason.

Whatever you want to say about the crimes against humanity committed in the maintenance of US hegemony, I will agree with you, but that doesn’t mean for a second that the alternative is better.

This is a common argument for a neoliberal status quo: “Well sure we know global regime X is shit and kills millions of people per year, but hey, all these strawman alternatives are bad so in the end, There Is No Alternative.” It’s been overused by conservative politicians to the point that its a slogan: TINA. However, we must realize that there are multiple alternatives, including the building of a better world.

Be careful what you wish for and all that.

Its going to collapse anyways over the next century or so, we do not need to wish for anything.

Until Russia and China start doing literally the same things if not worse.

Probably not, China is on record, better than the United States in that it does not destabilize burgeoning socialist governments nor engage in one-sided business deals with third world nations to cripple them with debt like how the west does in Africa. Furthermore, they have no historical precedent of engaging in genocidal colonialist ventures in countries halfway around the world from them. If China were top dog they would just be free to expand mutually beneficial international relations at a greater rate then they are doing now without fear of america and its allies nuking them for stepping out of line.

Russia, on the other hand, is truly a failed state that is also in decline. They have a dogshit military that can’t even take a small pissant nation headed by a film star right on its border. It is very unlikely that Russia, in its current form, will be able to reach the same level of economic and military domination that america currently possesses.

Fundamentally, one of the other reasons why China and Russia are unlikely to do the same things is because they are not settler-colonial nations born from genocide. The ideology of Manifest Destiny, invading a militarily inferior nation, slaughtering every single one of the people there, plundering its resources, and settling the land for the sake of “Personal Freedom” (the American Dream), is a unique historical pattern that the very idea of america as a nation is contingent on.

I agree, some of you are alright, it is the elite of america and the very notion of “america” as a nation itself which must ultimately face justice for this situation. I hope you have a good day.

America falling apart would be horrifyingly destructive for the rest of the world, for it will allow other corrupt capitalist powers that are, let’s be honest, not as humane, take over the rest of the world.

Well technically the continuation of america is more destructive than its inevitable decline, since america has a very awful pattern of killing millions of people for the enrichment of its elite, via means such as invasions, installing genocidal puppet leaders, and corporate extraction. The worst part is that america often destroys countries just as their people are on the brink of greater liberation.

Notable examples include:

Installing the Taliban in Afghanistan to oppose a Socialist government then destroying it

Destroying Iraq for Oil

Helping quash the Protocommunist Taiping Rebellion in China

The current blockade of Cuba

The current blockade of North Korea

The murder of socialist president Salvador Allende in Chile and the installation of Pinochet, a neoliberal dictator

The Contras

Sending $3 billion a year to isntreal for the mass killing of Palestinians

The genocide of first nations peoples on the North American continent itself

Assassinating Fred Hampton and the political killings of the Black Panther Party

Meddling in the affairs of practically every single third world country on Earth

Fucking Monsanto and their land grabbing bullshit

It is also probably the most inhumane of the corrupt capitalist powers as revealed in the details of these genocidal ventures either by using its own weapons or by proxy.

As such, the death of america would enable the possibility of a flourishing of socialist nations without the threat of the worlds most powerful military brought to full bear against their people for daring to pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

people deserve to starve in an age of plenty

this pigbrained subhuman cruelty betrays you as an american citizen, thank god your shithole is in decline lol you should all rot and die there for the good of the world

My guess is that, destroying the US would go a long way for world peace.

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