I need more context. What are elderly Belgian women known for?

You mean like for the past four years? You all just ignored us. If you want our votes then talk to us now.

No worries sir :)

Biden is a strike blocking, genocide supporting procorporate piece of shit.

The people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries voted for the greater evil.

Blocking strikes and supporting genocide. Is this the first time you’re hearing those complaints?

Are you saying everybody who voted for Biden in the 2020 general election is going to vote for him again? And if not where do you suppose those people are sharing their perspective?

And yet, despite being a minor part of a minor wing moderates and people like you will place Biden’s loss squarely on our shoulders. Surely you see the ridiculousness there yes? The moderates as a majority voting block assume none of the responsibility when a candidate they chose in the primaries loses.

Good.

Moderates dominate the Democrat party. They undermine, sabotage and outright fight progressive and leftist efforts at every opportunity. Then they get big mad when progressives and leftists say they’ve had enough and won’t show up in the general election. Moderates believe anything they do in politics is fair game but the moment leftists and progressives fight back they try to act like we’re one big family. It’s gaslighting bullshit.

Why are you deflecting so hard away from a conversation about compromising with leftists and progressives? Is it because you know moderates are intentionally undermining, sabotaging and outright fighting progressives and leftists at every opportunity? Here’s a superb opportunity for moderates to demonstrate their willingness to work with us on policy. If they won’t do it now when democracy is at stake they will never do it.

Kinda sounds like you think Biden can win the 2024 general election without our votes.

How about you compromise with leftists and progressives if you need their votes so badly?

Moderates are the major voting bloc of the Democrat party. They hold the lions share of the responsibility for how the candidate they chose in the 2020 primaries does in the general elections.

The rest of us are trying to keep this ship floating for everyone. Either help, or hop out.

If Biden is going to continue to block strikes and support genocide I’m out. If you want my help then give us a seat at the table. Compromise on some policy decisions. If the only way you’re willing to try to keep the ship floating is by screaming at people to vote for someone who refuses to compromise with them you have nothing to offer.

Buddy, manufactured or not I’m not voting for Biden again. I’ll be voting 3rd party or write in. If you think Biden needs my vote to defeat Trump then you best get on Biden to start compromising with leftists and progressives.

It’s truly crazy to me how you all think that continuing to repeat the same tired arguments is going to change our minds. It won’t. It’s time to focus your energy on something that might have an effect. Try calling out moderates for refusing to compromise. Call Biden out for refusing to compromise.

You’re spot on correct. Lemmy has become a safe-haven for both tankies, and right-with trolls disguising themselves as tankies. And if you find yourself responding to some of their propaganda in the wrong community/instance…. It’s an insta-ban. No questions asked or answered. No appeal.

Ohhhh nooooo. Whatever will we do without your rationalization of genocide and blocking strikes?

Good luck endlessly lecturing leftists and progressives while giving moderates a free pass being selfish pieces of shit.

No. I’m fine with voting 3rd party or writing in knowing they’ll likely not be elected. Are moderates fine with Biden losing to Trump? If not then they need to find some policy to compromise on in order to encourage progressives and leftists to vote for Biden again. We compromised in 2020 and voted for Joe Biden in the general. We’ve gotten fuck all for it. It’s time for a compromise in the other direction. There’s no point for us to stand around a table when moderates refuse to give us a seat.

Odd that Democrat controlled states like California haven’t done the same thing.

You can call yourself whatever you want but if at the end of the day you vote like a moderate your beliefs make no difference.