Wild that anyone would disagree with eliminating lobbyists but there it is.

Feel free, leftwing flailing doesn’t help anyone (see the last 70 years as proof)

edit: Also funny you think I’m a centrist when I specifically called Harris a weak milquetoast pro-LE candidate.

beyond obvious that if people didn’t vote in this election, they’d literally never

Except for the 10m people that voted for Biden in 2020 but sat this round out.

You did say their apathy was justified, but it NEVER will be.

Where did I say that? There’s plenty of blame to go around and non-voters will receive their share but right now we’re talking about the rich ruling class who were unable to form any coherent argument or defense against an openly fascist, 34-time convicted, rapist. If that doesn’t show what they bring to the table then I don’t know what does.

You think it’s a sign that the politicians did something wrong that people literally can’t be bothered to stop obvious and imminent fascism.

You don’t? You think politicians did their jobs? I think they’ve been asleep at the wheel for the last 4-5 decades.

Funnier still, you claimed they cared but not voting wasn’t something they could blamed for.

I never said they cared, the opposite in fact.

bothering to vote

Ah yes the absolute lowest bar for civic participation and they still couldn’t reach it meanwhile Republicans are winning schoolboards across the country.

I’m actually coming around to your side though, both sides aren’t the same, one of them is good at politics.

“They saw how dangerous the people actively working against democracy were and were *still unable to form a coherent argument against it or court the millions of people who were afraid of it.”

I’m not sure evil through incompetence is any different than willful evil. One smiles while they patronize you, the other doesnt.

From where I sit the Democratic party was so afraid of an actual changecandidate that they neglected to have a primary and foisted a milquetoast pro-LE candidate that didn’t do anything to reach their base and instead tried to court it’s opponents supporters. So, maybe they’re actually worse than Republicans, at least an R will tell you they hate you and want to take your rights.

An openly fascist rapist beat them, if that isn’t an indictment of them I don’t know what is.

The Democratic party lost, it’s now OK to point at them and say “what a bunch of out of touch rich fucks” and throw them to the wolves, they do not represent us and in that way, are exactly the same as the other side.

So, do you think one of the parties isn’t owned by the 1%?

“No they wouldn’t, it would be bad for their investments in the economy, with more workers in the labour pool the cheaper labour becomes. So reducing that worker pool would mean companies would spend more on each worker reducing profits.”

You agree with that comment?

Do you actually disagree with any of what they said or is snark your contribution?

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Ad hominem much?

I have a lot better things to do than sit around and be called a wife-beating rapist.

Go fuck yourself.

You’re building a whole lot of strawmen.

The rightwing fight has been going on since shortly after FDRs New Deal, over 70 years. The wealthy hated it and immediately set about funding right wing think tanks to undo it’s progress. They’ve been exceptionally successful and those thinktanks are now pipelines used to funnel judges and policy wonks into positions where they have power.

This is so much bigger than Russia or Gender and the fact that you think those are the actual fights really highlights why “the left” can’t ever get it’s shit together while the right votes in lockstep yet again. You can’t see the forest for the tree.

Do you really think Biden was on any of our sides? Do you really think this is a new thing? That fascists just crawled out of the woodwork in the last 8 years?

Tell you what, I wish you were right, that might galvanize someone and prove the danger but it won’t happen. Biden will open his presidential library and the country will continue circling the drain, yelling into the void while the right snatches more of our rights. But hey you can point at Trump and say “typical man!” like it means anything.

There’s truly no war but the class war comrade. Let’s suppose Biden is taken out, nothing would be lost and it’d serve his milquetoast ruling class self right, wouldn’t it?

Btw pretty insulting for you to assume anything about my gender or color or orientation or creed or anything elsebecause I think your take is halfassed. This started long before 2016.

But hey I guess we can just wait around and see if Donnie does anything to Biden or if Biden just fades away and hangs out on a private beach somewhere.

There we go, gotta make it a gender thing instead the actual FUCKING RICH RULING CLASS EVERYONE even though both Biden and Trump are men.

Refuting your little essay isn’t even worth the time. Did they hang Pence? Did they “get” Nancy Pelosi? Or are those people still rich and living in their mansions?

You realize an angry mob or a psycho with a hammer is quite a bit different than an orchestrated, targeted hit right?

Fucking pearl clutching morons.

Biden is rich he’ll be just fine. Donnie talks a big talk but when push comes to shove money and connections are everything and Biden still has those. Just today they’re reporting he’s “paving the way for a smooth transition” or some other bullshit.

The rest of us are fucked but the rich and powerful will be the least fucked.