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I think part of the issue with Ello was that they sell themselves as non-corporative social media while maintaining two of the most important characteristics of corporative social media:

• Centralisation and lack of federation
• Being closed-source

The story would have gone completely different if they

• Had made it open-source allowing users to contribute to the project, both as devs and through donations.

• Added decentralisation and federation, allowing others to make their own Ello servers. This could have taken a lot of weight (financial and otherwise) from the developers/founders. Users cost money. Dividing the user base within different servers, pay by and moderated by different people means dividing the costs.

Basically, Lemmy communities and Kbin magazines are federated as groups to the micro and macroblogging fediverse. People in friendica, mastodon or Firefish can interact with Lemmy and kbin by mentioning a community/magazine in their posts and following them the way they do with other types of federated groups (like guppe, chirp, friendica forums, etc)

Pixelfed didn’t have federates group support, meaning that its federation with the threadiverse was bad, not to say practically non-existent. Supporting federated groups and even having its own type of group will allow people on pixelfed to interact with Lemmy and Kbin the way other fediverse software do: following them and tagging the community/magazine handle in posts.

short summary: It means better federation between Pixelfed, and Lemmy and Kbin.

I never used brave. I wasn’t interested in it since I learned it was chromium and all the crypto stuff.

What they don’t seem to understand is that in the fediverse it’s them who are responsible for curating their own experience, there’s no big content algorithm doing it for them here.

It’s their job to join communities they may like and then set their main page to “subscribed”. They don’t have to keep it set in “ALL” if they don’t want to see content from all the servers their server federates with/isn’t defederated from.

Lemmy and kbin may be discussion platforms/link aggregators, but they aren’t reddit.

You can’t follow tags (something that should be added), but you can add them to Antennas

Why is mastodon the worse one?

Lack of essential features and the toxicity within it servers.

It was meant to be federated, privacy friendly, self-hosted, less toxic twitter alternative for small communities

1- I didn’t say it had to be a twitter clone. What I said is that some people coming from Twitter that weren’t convinced by Mastodon, may be could have find other microblogging more adequate for their needs and usage. Each microblogging platform has its personality and usability, and Mastodon wasn’t for them.

The problem is when people are told that there’s nothing beyond Mastodon (regarding microblogging) on the fediverse, so they end up running away from the fediverse, after not finding a home on Mastodon.

2- It failed at being less toxic.

Witch hunts over petty arguments, negative reaction to newcomers not knowing how things work, racism that gets minimalised as “not as bad” by big part of the user base.

The fact that it doesn’t have quote posting because it “allows for toxic behaviour”, when other platforms have it and say toxicity is almost non-existant in using that feature, it’s in itself a red flag.

Antennas allow you to create secondary timeline of accounts, terms and tags without them having to appear in the primary timelines.

That way you can follow content from people without follow people.

Here the official explanation from Misskey:

Antenna is a feature that allows you to freely set conditions for a custom timeline and automatically collect matching notes. Antenna conditions can include conditions to include/exclude certain keywords and tags in different combinations as well as other options. When a note matching an antenna’s conditions is posted, the note will automatically be added to that antenna’s timeline.

I’m quite happy with Milk Tea (Android) for Firefish and Misskey.

No, not really. Firefish is a microblogging platform. Kbin is a link aggregation and topic discussion platform, with a wonky attempt at microblogging.

I wouldn’t call it an alternative to Mastodon or Twitter either, because Firefish has features that neither of them have. The only Microblogging platform it could be seen as an alternative to, now that it has gone beyond being just a fork, is Misskey.

People tend to compare Firefish and Misskey more to Tumblr, but they still have things that either were inspired by other microblogging platforms (twitter, included), or that are unique to them. So they aren’t fully “Tumblr alternatives” either.

Why stick to the worse one, though?

The point of federation is that you can create community with people all over it, no matter what software the server they joined is running.

Mastodon being too big to the point that 90% of it users things it’s the whole fediverse is not positive nor contributes to create an stable community. Many people coming from twitter run from the fediverse, because they’re told there’s nothing other than mastodon, which they find hard to use, lacking and extremely toxic.

Misskey, Firefish, Akkoma, GoToSocial, Microblogpub, etc give people other options that may fit their need for/usage of a microblogging platform better than mastodon does, as each (including Mastodon and each of its forks) has it’s own “profile”

1- Never join the official instances. They always are too big that are almost impossible to moderate.

2- In which timeline did you see those comments? Because if it was global, it’s possible these are unknown servers the admins aren’t aware of. (The trending section is global)

Here a better explanation from the Misskey (from where Firefish took this feature) official page

I haven’t seen any Misskey or Firefish admin commenting negatively about the existence of the drive feature itself

Cool things on Firefish/clackey, that Mastodon and most of it forks don’t have:

• Quote notes (Misskey and Akkoma, a fork of Pleroma, also have them)

• Antennas. They allow you to add words, tags and accounts to lists and create parallel timelines that you can see whenever you want, without having to follow this accounts

• You can create personalized timelines for certain accounts to appear in.

• It has a drive section where you can upload files.

• Channels. This are public local group that the members of a server can create, join and interact within.

• Private chat groups. Local only.

• Emoji reactions

• Clips. These are collections of notes (“note” is the name post receive in Misskey and Firefish)

You can create multiple clips and manage them by giving a name and description to each. You can also choose to make your clips public to make them available to other users.

• You can create custom web pages. For now they don’t federate.

• Customisable (by admin) character limit.

I don’t know how I feel about the new name, but I’m curious to see what new features come with the rebranding.

Calckey/Firefish is by far my favourite microblogging platform. It has a greater number of features than mastodon, and I personally find it more inviting.

What I wanna know is, with it being its own thing now (rather than a fork of misskey), while it still be supported by Misskey apps, like MilkTea?

I think Calckey/firefish, because of it history and characteristics, tends to have more themed instances. Many of the so called “general” instances, are multi-topic or multi-fandom themed instances rather than actual general purpose ones.

I think someone not used to these things would see ‘Coming Soon’ and just leave it as not launched yet.

It’s probably not launched yet. The main instance hasn’t open (or rather moved from calckey) and other intances are moving from either old Calckey or foundkey.

Firefish has already set up a new site and infrastructure under their new name. The flagship instance of Calckey.social is in the process of moving over to Firefish.social. The migration effort is intended to retain users, posts, credentials, and data. The move is expected to officially happen over the course of the next few days.

I would say to wait at least a week to check the official instance.

For what I understand Meta only reached Mastodon/Misskey/Pleroma and PixelFed instance admins. There hasn’t been mention of they even reaching Friendica/socialhome/hubzilla admins. So I doubt they even care contacting admins from “non-competing” software based servers

Also, I don’t think the NDA stops admins from disclosing they were contacted by Meta. It only stops them to talk about what’s been discussed on these reunions, because several tech bros at mastodon where prouly announcing they were “invited by Meta to a talk about the future of the Fediverse” and how they accepted. So the admins of Lemmy World deciding not to confirm or deny doesn’t necessarily prove they signed anything.

Recommending profiles to follow is already part of the onboarding process, and is not in any way equivalent to “pushing profiles for you to see”.

So, if its already possible. What would your freemium features add?

There is no “TOS” for the fediverse software.

Each software has, in fact, its rules/terms. Peertube, for example, is explicitly non-profit.

Look, I really tried to keep an open mind about this conversation, but now you are distorting the truth and I can’t tell if it’s for ignorance or dishonesty. I think it’s time to end it. Have a nice one.

To me what you are doing trying to monetise something that is completely free of charge, while pretending you are doing it to promote the fediverse, “making it mainstream” (the last thing the hardcore fedizens want), IS dishonest. So I guess we are even.

You do know you can’t make money out of any fediverse software, don’t you? You can make money on the fediverse, like artists and professionals do, but you can’t make money out of it.

From mastodon main page:

We respect your agency. Your feed is curated and created by you. We will never serve ads or push profiles for you to see.

This goes in contradiction with an option on one of your polls:

Better recommendations on who to follow

Other than accounts that suggest you people to follow on the fediverse, there’s no algorithm that recommends you accounts to follow or content to see. In fact, this very thing would go against the TOS of Mastodon, Peertube, and other fediverse software

You could make your own software that offers those things and give users the posibility/ability to federate, but you cannot legally add premium features or recommendation algorithms to already existing fediverse software or any fork of it.

If you go take a look at my first blog post about communick, you would see that the last thing I want to have is a “Corporation” in the Fediverse, but instead I want to have it strong and attractive enough for small, independent service providers

No. What you want is to make money out of decentralised social media.

Not every business is a “corporation”. Not every professional that provides a service for money is a rent-seeker

People offering their services and talent for money already exist on the fediverse.

The fact that there are “business coming to the fediverse” does not mean that they can only operate on the same (failed) business models from Big Tech.

Funny. Because in the polls you asked a question about features someone would be interested in pay for. Some of which are characteristical of corporate social media…

your use of the “Royal We” to express a personal opinion.

You do understand that it’s an expression, don’t you?

not backing up said opinion with any type of argument, which makes it sound like you are simply stating it as a fact.

It’s a fact. Monetisation of any kind is against the mere idea of federated social media. People com here to be away from corporations, advertising and the like. The model of social media that seeks to make social networking into a business model is in crisis, why would anyone want to made the fediverse into that?