Strypey

@regalia
> I recommend actually looking at what it looks like on the site, it’s extremely different then how it looks on mastodon

Yes, I’m familiar. I’ve been following Lemmy development for several years, as part of research for fediverse.party. That’s the background to my comments about the algorithm determining what appears on a Lemmy front page.

If you’re proposing that there’s a more complicated algorithm at work, what do you think it is?

@regalia
> Are you replying from Mastodon right now

Yes. Here’s the post you just replied to, on the public-facing web page of the Mastodon server I use:

https://mastodon.nzoss.nz/@strypey/110943135468924731

@regalia
> the algo for active/hot favor large communties, so smaller ones tend not to show up on the front page

I presume it’s the same as what determines which posts appear on the front page of a Mastodon server; chronological order of posts. That would favour the larger communities, since people post there more often.

The other limiting factor, I presume, is a Lemmy server only knows about the communities its accounts are members of. Larger communities will have members on more servers.

@regalia
> our algo doesn’t do a good job of promoting smaller communities

Lemmy has an algo for that?

@SupraMario

@deadsuperhero
> development of a Go-based backend implementation, Dendrite

Also Rust-based homeserver implementations like Construct and Conduit. Both of which are usable, although missing a few nice-to-have added features. Eg Conduit is still working on;

“E2EE emoji comparison over federation (E2EE chat works)… Outgoing read receipts, typing, presence over federation”

@Terevos @Samsy

@deadsuperhero
> the reference implementation everyone uses by default is known to be bloated and slow, and poor at scaling

This doesn’t seem to stop the fediverse growing (*cough* Mastodon *cough*).

@Terevos

@smileyhead
> But noone figured out how to prevent that in federated systems

You’ve basically got a choice been a centralised service where metadata can be limited but E2EE is mostly pointless (you have to trust the service operators’ E2EE deployment), or a decentralised network where E2EE is reliable, but it’s harder to limit metadata.

Which one is best depends on the situation/ threat model.

@AngryDemonoid

@deadsuperhero
> I’d really love to see a “modern” WhatsApp-like take on an XMPP messenger, but I haven’t found any

Have you looked at @snikket_im ?

@poVoq @lps

@Rambi
> but how come your username says @null?

No idea. Maybe a bug in your app? Maybe something to do with the fact I’m posting from a Mastodon server rather than Lemmy server?

@theKalash
> Lemmy neads a feature where people can “merge” communities from different instances so it appears like a single one

I’m confused by this. I’ll admit I haven’t used Lemmy much yet, but I thought communities do exist across all servers? So if I join “c/fediverse” on any one server, and you join “c/fediverse” on any other server, we’re joining the same community. Is that not how it works?

@Blaze

@itadakimasu
Plus, the Lemmy servers are part of a much larger network; the fediverse. Not just other forum apps like KBin either. Right now I’m replying to this from Mastodon.

I have an alt on a .nz Lemmy server, but haven’t got into the habit of using it yet. So at least some of the perceived shrinkage *is* due to that, rather than any failure of the network. Also due to spam and troll accounts being purged.

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@Blaze @Kushan @patatahooligan

@itadakimasu
> there’s only 60k of us? And that’s a good thing?

A centralised platform is a numbers game. The money for upgrading servers for growth has to come from one company, and if the platform shrinks it gets harder to get a return on that spending.

It just doesn’t matter as much in a federated network. The cost of growth is spread across many servers. Some of which will end up shutting down, for a range of reasons. But others have room for growth.

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@Blaze @Kushan @patatahooligan

@theory
> Is there a good fedi or p2p alternative to twitch?

#OwnCast was designed specifically for this:

https://owncast.online/

#PeerTube also has livestreaming capabilities, as well as being able to host recordings of livestreams for future playback after they’re over:

https://joinpeertube.org/

There’s also #GreatApe, which is entering beta and looking for testers:

https://calckey.social/notes/9f468lwk06

#video #LiveStreaming

@DaisyLee
> What are the best fediverse alternative to the big sites on the web?

Which ones are the best is a matter of taste, but this page gives you an idea which of the corporate DataFarms the various fedi apps can be a replacement for:

https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_are_Fediverse_projects%3F/Fancy

@lackthought
> I was just looking at Matrix, are there community servers like on discord people can join? or is it all private rooms?

There are loads of public rooms on matrix, eg:
https://matrix.to/#/#fediverse-city:matrix.org

FYI what Discord calls a “server” is actually just a group of chat channels and their pool of members. The equivalent of a Discord “server” on matrix is a “Space”. This blog post is a couple of years old out-of-date, but it gives you the general idea:

https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/17/the-matrix-space-beta/

@hiajen

@Bicyclejohn
> my peers are too tiktok obsessed

What is it that attracts them to TikTok? The features and user experience, or the pool of people and content they can find there? Or something else?

@StoicLime
> what are you using as an alternative?

I never really used Titter. My account was just a sock puppet that echoed my posts from my Mastodon account. I’m posting this from Mastodon right now, but I also have a Friendica account, and I’m keen to check out CalcKey. All of these, like Lemmy, are part of the fediverse and interoperate with each other.

(sorry if that’s obvious to you but it’s not to everyone so I’m spelling it out)

@Bicyclejohn @Alkalyon @realcaseyrollins @albinanigans

@knighthawk0811
> can we get young people coming here though

That’s a very good question to ask a young person. OTTOMH though…

… anything they have to use at school, they’re unlikely to use by choice at home or elsewhere. What would have got me to join the fediverse if it existed when I was a young person? Hearing that someone I respected had joined like Upper Hutt Posse, or Michael Franti, or RATM, or even David Bowie. Pop poets are the vanguard party of the young.

@Bicyclejohn

@knighthawk0811
> since there isn’t any strong way to collect data or advertise it will always be an underdog compared to big business

… unless and until democratic governments ban corporations from spying on the people using their platforms, as they bloody well ought to, if they have any respect for the human rights of the citizens. Or pass laws that force the Walled Gardens to federate with similar platforms, like the Digital Markets Act.

@Bicyclejohn

@realcaseyrollins
> Reddit was already toxic, but I guess now people will begin to recognize its toxicity

… just like Titter.

@Alkalyon @Bicyclejohn