Beemo Dinosaurierfuß

What?

That asshole doesn’t deserve a meme, cmm.

Just use Calvin.

It is possible he doesn’t like the texture of mushrooms.

If I am somewhere and am served squeaky mushroom sponges I don’t like them either.

I didn’t want to reply at all because it is starting to get ridiculous and noone else keeps reading this.

But please just for the sake of being honest, show me where I am intolerant or hateful?
I replied to other comments in this thread as well, there should be plenty to pick from.

Show me my intolerance, show me my hate.

I even make it easier for you.

I think religion is a cancer to society.
I think all religions are basically cults.

Make a straightforward argument how my statements are either hateful or intolerant.

Because while those statements are my honest opinion, I am still strongly in favour of freedom of religion.
I would never forbid anyone from practicing their religion as long as they don’t infringe on someone else’s rights in doing so.
I don’t hate anyone for being religious. There are wonderful religious people.

Still I think they are wonderful despite their religion, not because of it.

I don’t even hate you, despite your ongoing insults towards me.
I just think you are very wrong on a fundamental level and haven’t yet learned to deal with being told so.

Reported.

I think you understand neither what a skepticist is, nor how religion or free churches work.

Well you’re wrong in both, but I am curious why you would think that.

And by your logic I assume you have to be an anarchist,

Hilariously wrong here.

since every government that ever existed - or society for that matter - has exercised some form of suppression.

Care to explain what that has to do with anything I said in this thread?

I think your overgeneralizing, intollerant way of thinking is sickening and hardly better than that of a racist or sexist.

And I think you resort to personal insults because you have no valid arguments against my positions.
But please humor me and tell me how I am intolerant in an comparable way to a racist or sexist.

And please don’t tell me what my beliefs are. That’s pretty church-y of you.

I’m a pansexual protestant Christian

Are you kidding me? You told about your beliefs yourself.

And it’s especially rich after your whole post made assumptions about me.

The sheer arrogance to post a philosophical minority opinion paired with an insult and then end it with a sigh.

And while I am not particularly familiar with Mr. Antony’s work I can tell you that he either didn’t understand or purposefully misused Hitchen’s Razor insofar as you indeed can not apply it to Atheism the same way you can apply it to christianity.
The reason for that being that there is no particular thing at all you have to believe to be an atheist.
Atheism in and of itself doesn’t assert anything at all.
So there is nothing that could be dismissed.

Atheism says there is no reason to believe in god.
How does Hitchen’s Razor dismiss that? It doesn’t.

Not to mention your quote still is no argument towards the positive existence of god.

And if you don’t show me how I am supposed to be intolerant, I will take it as the baseless insult that it is and will no longer discuss with you.

We’re using fancy words now to seem smart?
Works better if you know what they mean.

And I don’t have any problem believing that vast majorities of a population can fall to a cult.
I mean in the middle ages people didn’t even have a choice about their religion and I hope you are not trying to tell me crusades and literal witch hunts are not cult behaviour.

I did what now?

I said there are millenia worth of disproven lies.
Which there are.

Like that the whole world was flooded and repopulated by one single family, which is disproven by DNA samples.
Or that it is gods will that priest stay unmarried, which is historically agreed that it was a measure to keep wealth inside the church organization.
Or so so many more.

I never said there was prove god doesn’t exist.
And like I said, there doesn’t need to be as long as there is no documented sign whatsoever that points towards god actually existing.

No it doesn’t go both ways.

If something exists it should be easy to prove.
There should be some form of sign of it.

On the other hand it is hard to disprove the existence of anything at all.
How do we know there is not some teapot in outer space?

We can’t.
But that is no reason to believe there is one.

Hey first and foremost, thanks for the good faith discussion.

I want you to be reassured that I don’t hate you for your religion.
And I don’t think you or any religious person is necessarily dumb.
We just happen to fundamentally disagree on certain points that seem to hold at least some value for both our lives.

And I will gladly admit that believing in god has the fundamental difference to believing in a flat earth that you described. The flat earth is soundly disproven and the existence of god is not.

I would in reply try to refine my point to saying that I think believing in god is comparable to believing in the easter bunny or the often quoted flying spaghetti monster (that I purposefully didn’t want to invoke earlier).

Yes you are absolutely free to believe in any of those things.
I would fight to defend your right to believe in them.

But I cannot ever accept it as truth or even an educated opinion to hold without any proof pointing specifically towards the existence of any god.

And not to end on a negative note.
I love life around me, I love nature, I love animals.
I think the world is a wonder.

I do not believe any god made it the way it is.
I have no reason to believe that.
I just love it for itself.

What now?

I don’t think anyone but you believes this thread is about wether extremism is unique to religion.

Obviously there are other forms of dangerous extremism.

Nazis were pretty fucking extremist.
Now they were not (at least not primarily) extremist Darwinists off course, but extremist racists and antisemites (among other things).

But the meme makes the insecure loser guy say “We should be fighting religion”.
And what I think this thread truly highlights is, that a majority in it doesn’t see it as a loser thing to fight religion.

Ffs fighting racists and fascists is way more important than fighting religion at this specific point in history.
Still religion is also a cancer that should be fought in my opinion, and seemingly in others as well.

I don’t have to proof something doesn’t exist, someone that wants to be taken seriously has to proof why they would believe something does positively exist.

“what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”

You are all over the place.

But I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and reply to your specific points.

Corporations have been stealing ever since the dawn of time, anyone working under a big company willingly is not the one to blame

That is a strawman argument.
In most societies people are more or less forced to work for some employer, so I think it is hard to blame a worker for the company he works for.
And additionally I think one can blame a worker if they choose to work for the ethically worst companies.

Is your only basis of hating 90% of the world’s population is that they believe in a god?

That is very insulting.
I don’t hate religious people, my mother is deeply religious and I truly love her.
But she is misguided and gives time, effort, believe and most of all money to an organization that still to this day promotes homophobia, suppresses women and staunchly defends child rapists.

I don’t like that and I won’t stop criticizing it.

but everyone knows its a matter of choice and you can’t prove that god doesn’t exist

Off course it is your prerogative to believe in god.
I wouldn’t ever want to ban you from believing in whatever you want.

But you shouldn’t be surprised if people put you in the same category with people believing in a flat earth or something like that.

If you just choose to believe random stuff without evidence than it is only natural that your opinion is not taken seriously.

It is not like there are two equally valid theories about what to believe.
One group believes in things if there is proof and one group believes in things because some dude from the bronze ages wrote it down.

I am European and haven’t been to the US in over 15 years and I still firmly hold the believe that religion is cancer and every religion is a cult, especially the christian organizations both big and small.

And don’t tell me I don’t know what I am talking about.
I was raised catholic and probably know my way around the bible better than most christians.

Now what?

We should be fighting religion.

You are so full of shit.
Nothing about Hitler (I assume you smugly meant him) was following Darwins teachings.

On the other hand he off course was a lifelong catholic…

Please enlighten me how I’m inherently ignorant

Despite millenia of disproven lies about a non existing almighty being, you still believe this being indeed does exist and indeed is almighty without ever having any measurable effect on the world whatsoever.

How is that not ignorant?

and taking your freedom.

I don’t support the statement that you personally take away anyones freedom.
But organized churches have a long standing tradition of suppression and if you are part of one you support that at least indirectly.

I think you are wrong to a degree.

The problem is not that the left is an illusion and more that there just is no left wing party in the US.

Like you said there is a right wing party in line with most conservative parties in Europe and there is a protofascist party in line with Putin, American Oligarchy and religious extremism.

That doesn’t mean that an actual leftist movement or party can’t possibly exist or is a mere illusion.
The political system in the US is just purposefully designed not to allow a successful party on the left.

Elections are decided in big parts with money, which inherently favours those with money (and corporations are people in the US for some fucked up reason).
This is by design and not something that is natural or automatic.

I guess our positions are not that different, I just wanted to add some nuance.

You are right about most points, but the right is not and never was about freedom, but about cementing a hierarchical order in society.

It used used to be about Aristocrats in France.
Today it is about keeping the rich in power and by extension to rile poor people against even poorer people (often immigrants).

If you look at politics through that lense so many more things start to make sense.

Old money hates new money.
Right wing middle class people hate poor people.
Right wing poor people hate immigrants.
They want to look down on somebody.