it can be icky without being immoral.

is there anything a human could do to an animal which you would classify as “rape”?

i doubt it.

you think all humans have rights

i think rights are a fiction. i don’t believe they exist at all.

ok? that doesn’t change the effectiveness of being vegan.

and if done to cattle, it’s a veterinary procedure

they stop producing meat.

meat production increases every year

i’m saying i know how linear time works, so i know that buying meat on a shelf can’t have caused the animal it came from to be killed.

there is not any way to prove such a claim, as you cannot prove a counterfactual.

the person doing the killing is usually paid by someone but most people are neither killing nor paying the killers. they are both paid long before someone walks into a grocery store.

It reduces demand for meat, lowering production

production increases every year.

being vegan doesn’t do anything about those

I didn’t say anything about a medical condition

And paying someone to kill someone/something for you is still killing.

most people don’t do that, either

no, they’re not

artificial insemination is a veterinary procedure. it’s not rape

no one is raping animals

you don’t know what they need. and I seriously doubt they are killing for entertainment. I doubt they kill anything at all.

can we be friends?

this is just more rhetoric

characterizing their legitimate complaints as with manufactured or outrage is just a rhetorical device. it doesn’t address what they said at all.