Good way to punish websites that have zero security i suppose

Oh yes, let’s pick on the weak programming languages because haha funi

Well that’s a good sign at least. I think i just ran into a triggerhappy mod.

Yeah that’s valid. It’s not your responsability to deal with their warped worldview.

First, i want to make it extremely clear that i am NOT advocating for “tolerance” with these people. I am advocating for communication and education. We should not simply tolerate having people hate us, especially with the level some extremists are willing to go to.

I understand the need for a safe space. It’s a good concept. But there’s a fine line between safe space and political echo chamber. Once you start banning people for advocating for an option other than hate, it becomes problematic.

Okay, which brings me back to, why push those people further away, so they only strengthen that worldview rather than trying to communicate with them and show them who we really are? It’s not like you don’t want the undesirables to go away somehow as well, right?

I think the mod glanced over the comment and was a little triggerhappy. It was not in a blahaj thread, and the post (along with the rest of the comment chain) first got removed for being off topic in that sub by the mods of thst instance. Which i guess is what got the blahaj mod’s attention.

I didn’t come to blahaj to be a contrarian. I like the place. That’s why i made my account there. I didnt go there to argue about politics, but if it keeps popping in my feed, i see someone with a bad take, i’m going to respond. If that’s what they decide to ban, so be it. ill find another place to call home in the fediverse.

So you’re saying their methods are more aggressive. You’re not describing your average trump supporter, right? You’re describing the extreme, just like they describe the extremists of the left in their propaganda. I’m not suggesting we waste time on extremists. I’m suggesting there is hope for the rest of them.

I hope so, let’s get some semi-healthy competition going, maybe they’ll even have to provide a better user experience instead of just seeing who can milk their users the most optimally. Probably not but one can dream.

Are you an AI chatbot?

And why do they think like that? The only thing they see in their bubble is the most extreme and annoying propagandized depiction of us. And the solution somehow is to push them even further away? There’s plenty of people out there who held extreme beliefs and have been humbled through mere interaction with someone of the opposing group.

What we’re doing here is the same as what they do. Portray them all in the same horrible light. Someome who thinks “as long as they keep it in the bedroom” 10 years ago, will now be much more likely to be more extreme because of echo chambers.

Someone who think “as long as they dont force their religious values on us” is now much more likely to think they all want to eradicate us, because of echo chambers.

But that’s just the thing. It is entirely reasonable in their worldview. They don’t hate just because they love hating, at least not on a conscious level. They have a whole lore about their ideology too. The problem js lack of ability to think critically and echochambers to reinforce their views. Now imagine an open community, where everyone can have an opinion left, right, or center, but only get banned for being intentionally hurtful. We can save the people who have not yet come to a conclusion, rather than their beliefs essentially being validated through hostile responses.

We have gone so far goddamn south to the point people on the left think free speech is nothing more than a right wing dogwhistle.
How long you decide they just need professional help too.

It’s the inevitable bubbling of echochambers that’s so harmful, but so atteactive for people to take part in that i believe to be the reason for a lot of the world’s problems today. Including covid deniers mind you. If they were exposed to proper evidence before they got dragged into an echo chamber, do you think they still believe what they believe?

Most of them are normal people, not deranged monsters, but we cast them as such to make ourselves feel better and give an easy explanation as to how someone can end up like that.

Well precisely. But how can you expect them to become willing if you just hurl insults back at them. They will assume you are exactly the person you think they are and isolate themselves further in that community. I’m not saying fight hate with love, but no progress can be made without a willingness to communicate.

It wasn’t even in a blahaj sub. But they did nuke the account. I’m not about to censor myself regardless though, if I can’t have the less restrictive reddit I was promised on lemmy, i might as well be back on reddit. I refuse to contribute to more echo chambers. If something is a bad take, i will point it out. if someone points out my reasoning is faulty, i learned something. If we can’t have that, we’re just sitting behind our computers, patting ourselves on the back about how right we are about everything.

Not at all what i said here or in the post. I speak from experience on this, there are a lot of people being influenced by the extremists that can still be communicated with. This attitude is exactly what i’m referring to as well. You put them all under the same umbrella, which, if we keep doing this, will only make the problems for people on both sides worse.

I don’t mind the ban much, I can just make another account. But I think it is representative of an issue larger than Lemmy.

I just got banned from blahaj for suggesting we should show understanding to rightwing people, because they view the left in the same way as we view them. It creates more division for no reason other than being unwilling to communicate.

Reason: Bigot

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