• figaro@lemdro.id
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    11 months ago

    I think a part of good, honest discourse is recognizing and respecting the time of the person you are talking with.

    If you are going to respond with 11 paragraphs quoted from a book, you should preempt it by saying something to diffuse it. Something like, “oh man, this is super long but actually quite beneficial. I wrote a tldr though at the end in case you don’t have time to read the whole thing.”

    I use this site while I’m at work. I literally don’t have time to read all of that lol.

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      11 months ago

      That’s why I put it behind a spoiler to avoid clogging up the thread.

      I put in the time of reading the book in the first place, then I remembered a relevant bit so I went back and looked through the book to try to find it, read through it again to make sure it was actually relevant, edited it because it was from a pdf and had wierd line breaks, and considered which parts were relevant to include and whether I should omit some of the examples. I cited that book not only because it expressed what I wanted to say, but also because it’s written in a modern style that’s easier to read than many socialist works.

      I guess I’m just used to an environment on Hexbear where people are more receptive towards reading relevant theory and some of us actually read not just posts and excerpts, but whole entire books. Maybe I should’ve just posted Pig Poop Balls instead.

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        11 months ago

        I don’t doubt that you were doing it in good faith, but the execution was still in such a way that it is off-putting.

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            Say what you want, 11 paragraphs is objectively longer than what most people want to read on social media. 11 paragraphs is just annoying and unproductive.

            You can see I’m right because literally everyone who isn’t a hexbear is like wtf is this. It is bad communication.

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                That would be accepting it as good communication. My point is to not do that, because it is not good communication. I agree with you though, I could have.

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          You don’t have to click the spoiler. It’s literally one line you can easily scroll past, but some people who have more time might find it interesting.

          Anyway it’s a response to a pretty low-effort, unoriginal meme, the whole “proportional time” thing cuts both ways. I’ve added more to making these comments a meaningful, intelligent dialogue than OP did.

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            11 months ago

            I will respectfully disagree that throwing in 11 paragraphs of some text without explanation adds to a meaningful dialogue

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                I get that the text might have some good and important meaning, but the format the meaning was delivered in spoils it.

                Like, I would love it if someone gave me a million dollars. But do I want the million dollars in pennies? Not really lol

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                  You’re just complaining to complain at this point. Literally just scroll past if it’s such a problem. All I did was lead you to water, I’m not forcing you to drink.

                  You choosing to die on this hill just makes me think of this lol

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                    I’m just saying to package the words in a way that is comprehensible to the person reading it, and likely that they will.

                    I honestly don’t doubt that there was some good content in it. But the audience you are talking to doesn’t want the communication you are giving in that format. It comes off as annoying, and therefore not effective in communicating the message you want to deliver.

                    I’m over here delivering free marketing lessons to tankies lol.

                    I’m gonna go touch grass now. Good luck with stuff

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                  So what I’m getting is that you need to be sat down in front of a screen and have things explained to you in short, simple sentences, or else you panic and bolt.

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                    You make it seem like theres a problem with that… i didnt come to a social media to read a textbook

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                I’m putting time into supporting good communication. Telling someone you don’t respect them or their time is also not an effective way to communicate either btw. Thanks for showing your cards though.

                I’m gonna go touch some grass now, good luck with stuff

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                Honest question, do hexbears look out for other hexbear comments so you guys can slap eachother in the ass? Ive never seen a hexbear comment on its own where it was <2 hexbears in a comment chain.

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                    11 months ago

                    Only people here agreeing is other hexbears. Like a hive of bees you guys rage out at others and then wonder why people dont like you.

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      On Hexbear we regularly bully each other into reading entire books when someone has a bad take. This is mild.

      11 paragraphs is like one single page, maybe two.

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            In this case, I’m just saying throwing 11 paragraphs of some random essay isn’t a good way to communicate. I’m all for education.

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                Cool. I imagine I would agree with a lot of what it says. I haven’t been talking about the contents of the writing though. The only point I’m trying to make in this entire thing is that copying and pasting 11 paragraphs is bad communication.

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          It would be good for you too. I see less whining about having to read two pages in 5th grade classrooms.

          But in fact you don’t have to! No one is forcing you to engage.