Lmao don’t comment on Lemmy if you don’t want others chiming in. Cis is the correct term. We’ve learned more about the world we live in and our language changes according to the new information.
This is nothing new and has been going on since language was invented.
you didn’t really answer, as far as i can tell. you just took the opportunity to go on a tangential rant about hard it is for you to use simple words to communicate more clearly and be respectful of others. you want to call women ‘females’? that’s your perogative, but don’t be surprised when people look at you like a weird objectifying misogynist ferengi.
Is that the best comeback you have?
You realize that’s your logic right? If you don’t say “Cis Women” instead of “Women” as you clearly did just then, you’re a horrible person.
Did you not get the reference?
I’d prefer to call biological women… Women. Wow what a shocker.
Having to invent a word like “cis”… lol have You tried education? It is one hell of a drug! Cis is a latin word. Like trans, homo, hetero, anti and so on. So maybe now you realize that “non-native speaker” is hilarious to say considering there are no native latin speaker.
Edit: btw. Trans means as much as on the other side. Cis means on the same side. Cis is literally just the opposite word of trans. So by calling trans women trans women, you imply that cis women are cis women. Crazy made-up word that have a story older than e.g. the new testament and probably older than any old testament manuscript that we have.
I have heard people say it. I haven’t heard anyone say it in a derogatory manner but it doesn’t matter like your experience is also only anecdotal.
trans women implies cis women. It makes as much sense as trans woman. I don’t care what some random people think. Yes, Cis existed before in science and what did it mean? Oh it means this side too. Crazy!
If you ask me, someone is very cringe and it is not the people using cis.
I don’t care if you want to use Cis or not.
I’m not going to judge you for it, unlike some of y’all I’m not that obnoxious of a person to care about what others say. Doesn’t change my opinion of the word; nothing you say will ever change that; I’ll continue to cringe at the word and you’ll just have to accept that and move the hell on.
I don’t care what some random people think.
This right there.
If you ask me, it’s y’all whom are getting so butt hurt over this that are truly cringe, even more so then “Cis”, “Female”, & “moist” combined.
It’s just an opinion on a word, it’s not like I’m killing your family by holding this opinion.
Oh how embarrassing… someone is unable to understand the difference between pointing out bad arguments and caring about the person opinion… yikes…
Let’s look at the conversation and see what happened.
I pointed out that your non-native speaker is nonsense and you didn’t even attempted to justify it because it is that poor of an argument.
I point out that it is a latin word like trans and that trans implies cis and so by calling trans women trans women, you are without vocalizing it, that cis women are cis women. Because that is how language works. If I talk about the 2nd point of my argument, I am implying that there is a 1st. You agreed that it is a latin word and already used in science. (I point out that it was there the same meaning, so… what?) And you apparently want to state that if there is a abbreviation, you can’t have an older word that looks the same. We should stop using “if” because there are investment funds. In other words, again I argued your argument. You stopped trying to argue your position here too. I wonder why…
you express that random person 1 and 2 think XYZ and that you experience ZYX, I state that I am not interested in your anecdotal evidence and the opinion of some random people, as I am interested in arguments; so when you imply that if I don’t care about your opinion why am I arguing with you, the answer is because I care about good arguments. So… you are just wrong there.
you are complaining about people expressing the cis woman is more inclusive and therefore more appropriated in most settings, but they are butthurt. You are too, and that is fine. Also not an argument for your position.
“I will never change my opinion” is really weird flex but I believe, but I am not arguing to change your opinion but to challenge your bad arguments, so keep going.
Non-native English speakers would confuse “Bio Women” with “Bio Weapon” did you actually even read that part?
Your Latin rant was completely irrelevant in first place, you’re lucky I even humored it.
I’ll give you the latin origins bit but even so it’s irrelevant to the actual Non-native speakers point because I wasn’t referring to Latin speakers in the first place (why do you think English was bold text?). So in the end your argument was just a strawman.
Also the point of it being artificially introduced still stands because the vast majority of English speakers say and have basically always said “Women” in reference to biological women, and even gave you examples from this very thread.
The English definition of the word “Women” is “Adult female human being”, which clearly doesn’t work because “female” means a person with XX chromosomes. So you’d have to redefine the word; which is funny because I know why it hasn’t changed.
Because the pro-cis people can’t seem to come up with a consistent re-definition of the word Women.
You’ll never change my opinion regardless, it’s not a flex it’s a fact. You wasted your time writing all that.
Go ahead and write another paragraph about how “you’re right and I’m wrong” and waste more of your time, be my guest. I’ll sleep just fine.
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uh, they always could? what’s your point?
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You asked what to say and then said the solution, cis, was cringe. You clearly don’t want a solution you just wanna complain
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Reread my comment because you missed the point and I’m not a babysitter anymore so I’m not teaching you how to read.
Also if you wanted this private then shoot that person a message instead of, once again, complaining in a space where anyone can comment.
Edit: if you’re offended by cis then go outside and see how many people care.
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Lmao don’t comment on Lemmy if you don’t want others chiming in. Cis is the correct term. We’ve learned more about the world we live in and our language changes according to the new information.
This is nothing new and has been going on since language was invented.
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you didn’t really answer, as far as i can tell. you just took the opportunity to go on a tangential rant about hard it is for you to use simple words to communicate more clearly and be respectful of others. you want to call women ‘females’? that’s your perogative, but don’t be surprised when people look at you like a weird objectifying misogynist ferengi.
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okay, well, have fun beating up that straw man.
Is that the best comeback you have? You realize that’s your logic right? If you don’t say “Cis Women” instead of “Women” as you clearly did just then, you’re a horrible person.
Did you not get the reference?
I’d prefer to call biological women… Women. Wow what a shocker.
Having to invent a word like “cis”… lol have You tried education? It is one hell of a drug! Cis is a latin word. Like trans, homo, hetero, anti and so on. So maybe now you realize that “non-native speaker” is hilarious to say considering there are no native latin speaker.
Edit: btw. Trans means as much as on the other side. Cis means on the same side. Cis is literally just the opposite word of trans. So by calling trans women trans women, you imply that cis women are cis women. Crazy made-up word that have a story older than e.g. the new testament and probably older than any old testament manuscript that we have.
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I have heard people say it. I haven’t heard anyone say it in a derogatory manner but it doesn’t matter like your experience is also only anecdotal.
trans women implies cis women. It makes as much sense as trans woman. I don’t care what some random people think. Yes, Cis existed before in science and what did it mean? Oh it means this side too. Crazy!
If you ask me, someone is very cringe and it is not the people using cis.
I don’t care if you want to use Cis or not.
I’m not going to judge you for it, unlike some of y’all I’m not that obnoxious of a person to care about what others say. Doesn’t change my opinion of the word; nothing you say will ever change that; I’ll continue to cringe at the word and you’ll just have to accept that and move the hell on.
This right there.
If you ask me, it’s y’all whom are getting so butt hurt over this that are truly cringe, even more so then “Cis”, “Female”, & “moist” combined.
It’s just an opinion on a word, it’s not like I’m killing your family by holding this opinion.
Oh how embarrassing… someone is unable to understand the difference between pointing out bad arguments and caring about the person opinion… yikes…
Let’s look at the conversation and see what happened.
Non-native English speakers would confuse “Bio Women” with “Bio Weapon” did you actually even read that part?
Your Latin rant was completely irrelevant in first place, you’re lucky I even humored it. I’ll give you the latin origins bit but even so it’s irrelevant to the actual Non-native speakers point because I wasn’t referring to Latin speakers in the first place (why do you think English was bold text?). So in the end your argument was just a strawman.
Also the point of it being artificially introduced still stands because the vast majority of English speakers say and have basically always said “Women” in reference to biological women, and even gave you examples from this very thread.
The English definition of the word “Women” is “Adult female human being”, which clearly doesn’t work because “female” means a person with XX chromosomes. So you’d have to redefine the word; which is funny because I know why it hasn’t changed. Because the pro-cis people can’t seem to come up with a consistent re-definition of the word Women.
You’ll never change my opinion regardless, it’s not a flex it’s a fact. You wasted your time writing all that.
Go ahead and write another paragraph about how “you’re right and I’m wrong” and waste more of your time, be my guest. I’ll sleep just fine.