I use KDE. Some use GNOME. Most other options are probably to be left out as X11 is unsafe.

Cosmic is not nearly finished, but will probably be a bit safer, as its in rust, even though not tested.

Then there are window managers like Sway, Hyprland, waymonad, wayfire, etc.

RaspberryPi also has their own Wayland Desktop.

Is every Wayland Desktop / WM equally safe, what are other variables here like language, features, control over permissions, etc?

  • jman6495@lemmy.ml
    3·
    1 year ago

    I don’t think the DE itself matters, but I can recommend using an immutable OS (makes it harder to install malware) and installing flatpak apps only. You can also use software like flatseal to further lock down permissions

          • mintycactus@lemmy.world
            1·
            1 year ago

            I mean you should trust Ublue guys to install their image. Even if you trust, what exactly the difference? It I understand correctly they just change UI the way they see it cool, but I can do it myself, how I need.

            • Pantherina@feddit.deOP
              1·
              1 year ago

              No that is bluefin, their special distro.

              Ublue is like rpmfusion but for image-based. Its the addition to fedora, with packages they can’t ship. They replace all the libav* with complete ffmpeg which is pretty great as its a great tool and Firefox works ootb.

              For example they have -nvidia images for every image, which is the best way to use the proprietary NVIDIA drivers as you can roll back and a broken update simply wont ship to you.

              They also have modded kernel images for Razer, Surface and a special Framework image.

              Another cool project basing off their “starting point” toolkit to create custom images, is secureblue, a security-optimized Version including

              • hardened kernel and hardened_malloc
              • updated Chromium, maybe soon Brave
              • soon a hardened Chromium (currently as COPR “vanadium”) like GrapheneOS
              • hardened services, firewall
              • removed unused kernel modules

              It is very security focused though, so no Firefox, no Flatpak as its currently broken, Podman (distrobox, toolbox) is currently not working and its unclear if that is actually necessary, …

              Bluefin is their fancy distro with lots of Tools, a custom Desktop, integrated Developer packages and more.

              • mintycactus@lemmy.world
                1·
                1 year ago

                Got it, some preconfigurations, which could be usefull or not. Like for some software to work properly I also layered ffmpeg, which required override remove lbav packages.

                • Pantherina@feddit.deOP
                  1·
                  1 year ago

                  For firefox AND video thumbnails and preview to work you can just add libavcodec-freeworld. But full ffmpeg is so much better.

    • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
      11·
      1 year ago

      I’m starting to think people misunderstand what an “immutable” distro really does…

      • jman6495@lemmy.ml
        1·
        1 year ago

        Please do share with me what I do not understand.

        A mostly read only filesystem built from a limited number of packages, with other files being in a fixed number of locations mean it is harder for malware to hide.

        • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
          11·
          1 year ago

          You can achieve the exact same thing with a normal distro if you mount /var and /boot separately of /. And if you get a root exploit it’s just as harmful on either approach.

          “Immutable” systems are meant for maintainer comfort not for user security.

          • jman6495@lemmy.ml
            1·
            1 year ago

            No, you can’t : in an immutable distro I can reasonably trace almost any file in the filesystem back to the package that created it, and know with a reasonable degree of certainty that the installed version of said file has not been tampered with. That isn’t possible an a normal distro.

            • lemmyvore@feddit.nlEnglish
              11·
              1 year ago

              Sure it is, has been for decades. You can use a read-only root partition, there are many tools to ensure the integrity of everything on it, and tracing files back to their package is a very old feature.