This post is inspired by a recent user I interacted with accusing me of being transphobic due to disagreeing with the concept of “xenogenders”

Without going too in depth, this user identified as “swarmgender”, and believed they are part of a literal hive mind. This led me down a path of reflection, wanting to be accepting of someones identity while trying to understand it rationally, and I came to a pretty firm conclusion:

They’re fucking nuts.

I’m not saying this in a transphobic sense, there is nothing wrong with being trans. (Original statement: But the medical terminology for what’s being experienced is gender dysphoria. It’s a mental illness.) It was pointed out to me by a commenter that this statement is inaccurate as of the updated DSM-5 definition, which sorta complicates my view here but doesn’t subtract from the overall point.

It’s important to acknowledge this because there’s a bit of a slippery slope going on where individuals with more severe mental issues are using gender politics to either

A: make themselves the bestest most specialist snowflake

Or

B: Obfuscate how fucking insane they actually are under the guise of anyone disagreeing being transphobic.

Anyway, this thread’ll be fun

Edit: the aforementioned Swarmgender joker has started posting about people in this thread on their own little community dedicated to how much of a victim they are lol

  • Jaysyn@kbin.social
    124·
    9 months ago

    FYI, the DSM-V disagrees with you.

    Gender dysphoria: A concept designated in the DSM-5-TR as clinically significant distress or impairment related to gender incongruence, which may include desire to change primary and/or secondary sex characteristics. Not all transgender or gender diverse people experience gender dysphoria.

      • Jaysyn@kbin.social
        73·
        9 months ago

        It’s from the American Psychiatric Association, the association that pens most of the DSM.

        The DSM–5 articulates explicitly that “gender non-conformity is not in itself a mental disorder.” The 5th edition also includes a separate “gender dysphoria in children” diagnosis and for the first time allows the diagnosis to be given to individuals with disorders of sex development (DSD). DSM–5 also includes the optional “post-transition” specifier to indicate when a particular individual’s gender transition is complete. In this “post-transition” case, the diagnosis of gender dysphoria would no longer apply but the individual may still need ongoing medical care (e.g., hormonal treatment). Nevertheless, discussions continue among advocates and medical professionals about how best to preserve access to gender transition-related health care while also minimizing the degree to which such diagnostic categories stigmatize the very people that physicians are attempting to help.

        https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/diversity/education/transgender-and-gender-nonconforming-patients/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis

        • TexMexBazooka@lemm.eeOP
          3·
          9 months ago

          Hmmm interesting! So it decouples being trans and experiencing gender dysphoria as two separate things.

          Thanks for pointing that out

    • narshee@iusearchlinux.fyi
      62·
      9 months ago

      I doubt OP cares about that and they wrote dismorphia and not disphoria. Both things have no obvious connection to the person OP describes? Also idk if I like citing ICD, DSM or whatever as part of an argument on this topic

      • TexMexBazooka@lemm.eeOP
        51·
        9 months ago

        I do care, I did use the wrong word tho- mybad

        And I would also agree they aren’t really related to the person whom I’m describing. However, they would likely disagree vehemently and say we are transphobic.

        It’s all very confusing

        • narshee@iusearchlinux.fyi
          43·
          9 months ago

          We?

          idk this person, and I only know what you have written about them. There might be a lot more nuance, or not. But this post is not nuanced, probably too hastly written, without thinking twice about what you wrote and you do not seem to have the intentions you suggest you have. I can’t believe you wrote this because you want to “save the trans community from crazy fakers” or whatever.

          • TexMexBazooka@lemm.eeOP
            41·
            9 months ago

            What the fuck are you talking about? Im not trying to save anyone from anything lol

            • narshee@iusearchlinux.fyi
              34·
              9 months ago

              I assumed that. There is the idea to exclude groups from the trans community to make the community not look worse (to cishets) and to not waste time helping the other groups. I.e. saving the trans community at least effort. I assumed that is your (at least suggested) reason. But instead you don’t care about trans people (maybe neither in a good or bad was) and just don’t want people like the person you described to be helped by anyone. Or you even don’t want them to exist at all. Is this assumption correct?

              Also some people are crazy, big deal

              • parpol@programming.dev
                51·
                9 months ago

                Pretty sure OP just doesn’t want to tread on glass around a person with borderline personality disorder to avoid being called transphobic, which sounds fair to me.

              • Nima@lemmy.world
                2·
                9 months ago

                you sound like you’re creating your own narrative here. the OP said nothing like this whatsoever.

                They’ve been polite and respectful in the thread. Relax.

    • Melkath@kbin.social
      23·
      9 months ago

      I am not a fan of those who use the DSM like Christians use the Bible (the words written in the book I believe to be the most ethos heavy book is the absolute truth).

      That said, I don’t disagree with you. In most cases.

      I’d say it’s about time for a DSM-VI that digs further into the topic.

      I’d consider any psychological condition that causes discomfort/pain to be a psychological illness.

      I’d say that OP’s title is a misnomer for the argument he presented.

      I’d also really resist calling “swarmgender” a gender.

      I don’t think gender is binary, and definitely not assigned at birth, but I’d agree that there are a lot of “tumbler genders” out there that read to me as mental illness. Dysphoric or not.