Hi German here, we say fuck ICE a lot because it’s a fast Train who always comes late. But to make a long story short, I am missing something here, what does ICE stand for?
Immigration and Customs Enforcement in the US. They’re basically the ones who raid homes and businesses looking for undocumented workers
And don’t forget about separating parents from children, holding illegal immigrants in overcrowded cells made from chain link fences inside buildings… They are America’s version of the Show me your papers patrol.
Blame the parents for not immigrating legally. ICE is there to protect our borders. Want open borders? You can donate your house first. Oh not your house? Then fuck off.
Millions live here legally. “It’s hard!” is not an excuse.
Remember, if you want to let other people move, it also automatically gives them the legal right to steal your house and leave you homeless. That’s why I’m living under a bridge while a family from Mississippi has taken my house. Its okay though. They were born on the plot of dirt between Canada and Mexico, so really that means they’re defending my freedom by stealing my house.
They have to move somewhere right? So why not your house?
Oh right, you’re fine with giving away other peoples things.
Just not yours.
Who said anything about giving things away? You just made that up. What, you think immigrants are stealing your jobs and also not paying rent? That’s not how thing work in the real world. The only people getting your stuff are the prisons full of innocent people who just wanted a chance at a better life.
Whoops turns out you’re ignorant of reality - https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-nyc-migrants-credit-debit-cards-prepaid-240335300869
"The city is launching a pilot program that will provide migrants with prepaid debit cards to buy only food and baby supplies, "
But the Democrats are losing voters in record numbers, they had to do something to make the election rigging in 2025 look plausible. Solution: import millions of ‘voters’ and give them free shit.
Blame the fact that it’s so difficult to immigrate legally yet an overwhelming number of businesses rely on cheap immigrant labor. This is a feature, not a bug, because they can pay the illegal immigrants less and abuse them without fear of reprisal because if the employer gets any attitude about it, they call ICE and have the worker deported and replaced with the next struggling desperate immigrant.
There is no illegal worker in the US that would rather be an illegal worker than a legal carded one. The system is stacked against them because it saves businesses money to do so.
Don’t forget to save some blame for the CIA destabilizing South American governments and terrible living conditions for a huge percentage of the population.
South American governments should get their shit together. But they can’t and we all know why. Importing that here is like shitting in your pool then wondering why no one want to swim at your pool party.
Yeah we all know why. Because every time someone improves conditions for their citizens and nationalized american industries, they get Allende’d.
It’s pretty hard to “get your shit together” when a hegemonic for profits from you not having your shit together.
In the mean time, what should the regular people do? Just keep suffering through society in a chokehold from drug cartels? Keep raising their kids there?
I blame the idiots that think prosperity we enjoy here in the USA is some sort of unlimited resource and that we can just print money when we run out.
Go ahead, print more money. Hope you’ve already bought your wheelbarrow.
Yes, because naturally no other country in the world enjoys a similar level of prosperity without creating an underclass that they abuse for their profit.
We don’t need to print more money, we have more than enough money. We just need to recirculate the money we do have. There is plenty of money in the USA for most citizens to live a comfortable life without exploitation, but 80% of that money is buried in the pockets of corporations and 15% of the remaining 20% is buried in the pockets of billionaires.
naturally no other country in the world enjoys a similar level of prosperity without creating an underclass that they abuse for their profit.
There literally isn’t. Whine about the percentages all you want. You still have a higher standard of living than literally anywhere else in the world.
Capitalism did that. It’s not perfect but it’s better than anything else.
We dont need open borders, we need a immigration system that can deal with the number of people seeking asylum.
You want a steady stream not a flood.
But I get why people risk it to come here. You can walk down the street without worrying about getting killed, kidnapped, tortured, raped… How about we send some of that 895 billion of pentagon dollars to Mexico for law enforcement instead. Like 10 billion, 1 jet fighter. Make Mexico safe for civilians, create job opportunities, and illegal immigration will slow.
United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement, border patrol. They’re notorious for the abuse of immigrants(even legal ones) trying to cross over from Mexico.
in australia, we say f*** ice because its another word for crystal meth
In lemmo we say fuck because why the fuck did you censor fuck?
because not everyone likes to swear. i know, shock horror!
But…then…use a different word?
I’m so confused. You still swore. We knew what you meant and you knew what you meant. You just censored the text. We’ve got alternatives with no censoring. Message me for Jesus Approved cursing. (please don’t)
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sorry, are you the swear police ??
the phrase that people are repeating is not ‘screw ice’ or ‘screw the police’. ‘f***’ is much closer to the original. i just prefer not to type out the actual letters; is that so bad ?
Sometimes, yeah. A lot of the time peeps don’t know what they can get away with.
I don’t think it’s bad, but it does confuse me and confusion is no fun.
Not gonna lie, I thought it was about Internal Combustion Engines at first.
Fuck them too!
You’re not a dragon.
For real, fuck ICE. My fully booked evening train got cancelled after we had already boarded, the next two that day were fully booked as well, I had to find an airbnb with a toddler and travel the next day, and they replaced just half of the ticket price because I cOuLD HaVe tAKeN AnOtHer TrAiN
On the other hand their child merch is cute af
How would taking another train even help with the ticket price?
If your train is canceled, your ticket is automatically valid for all other trains going in the same direction (doesnt have to be the same route, as long as it will reasonably take you to your destination) for the whole day.
Depending on how mutch later the next connection arrives, you can get all/parts of your ticket price back.
You found an airbnb with a toddler? Did they serve you drinks or something?
Just to be clear, I brought the toddler, they didn’t provide the toddler
Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Basically the federal border control cops that for some damn reason have jurisdiction anywhere within 250 miles of the border.
for reference
But on topic: The regional trains are also often late for always the same standard random reasons.To Vanilla.
Internal combustion engine.
They let a bad apple spoil the bunch by not getting rid of the bad apple. Reaping what they sow.
Well, you see. Those in charge want that apple there. Because when push comes to shove that apple will also kill activists, protestors and political opponents without asking questions or refusing orders. He will keep fellow apples in check and keep them from speaking up as well. They like that apple.
They prefer apple cider.
But then they wont sleep for an entire month?
It includes your dad, how many more times does he need to beat your mom for you to figure it out
40% of cops!
But for this one, please don’t actually assume it’s your friend timmy’s dad, folks.
And that’s just the 40% that admitted it. US cops are trained liars. How many decided not to admit it?
Fuck inter-city express (ICE)? Yeah i agree the Deutsche Bahn is horrible & unreliable. Also their trains are always late.
While those trains are indeed always late, at least they don’t pollute cities the way that ICE (Internal Combustion Engines) do!
Hey, at least internal combustion engines are useful for something
Hey ! My dad’s an internal combustion engine
and he will ride eternal, shiny and chrome.
It doesn’t, though.
The problem is the institution, not the nice people that think being a cop is a good way to make societies better.
There’s shitty cops, and the command chain that does nothing about it. That’s the problem.
Antagonising common peoples dads, and the people trying to be nice cops,and failing, is not the way.
We have to point at the right problem. And if you point at the corrupt chain of command nice cops will back you up.
Sir, this is the internet. There is no room for this kind of thinking. I’ll kindly ask you to pick up your pitchfork and join the back on the line.
We can do it, we can create our own Internet, I mean Lemmy, without pitchforks and torches! At least until Lemmy gets relevant. Well, as “relevant” as reddit used to be.
Yeah, but we have to go after the systems heads, not for its fangs, or claws. These can be used against them.
Every “good cop” is one that looks the other way when the bad cops do bad cop things. Or they are actively in the process of being harassed out of the department for “making trouble”.
Though it should also be said that the modem anti-cop movement comes from the correct understanding that their primary purpose is to protect private property interests, not your safety. Even the theoretical “nice” cop is spending their time, effort, and focus on store break-ins and broken windows and harassing homeless people that a business owner calls an “eyesore” or worse. But again, if they don’t carry water for the rest of their gang members that “nice” cop is getting kicked out of the department.
Well, I get it. There’s better places to spend ones time than being a nice cop.
Either they comply of they’re out. But… You know. People are pressured to pay for housing, and food, and health. Maybe they’re paying for someone’s cancer treatment in their family. And cop work pays well.
People don’t have much of a choice. We’re all fucked. But individuals are not the problem here. The system is. The chain of command is. Capitalism is.
Fuck the police, as the repression apparatus for the bonjoursie state. Care for the people.
Everyone has the choice to not consciously oppress other people.
Cops have both individual and systemic roles in oppression.
If you do work irl the cops will eventually use their violence on you.
They’re also seems to be a lot of issues with policy that they’re expected to follow. And when they do unconstitutional stuff, they get defended for doing it.
That’s, again, an institutional problem. Yes, down with those institutions!
“the problem is the institution, not the people actively participating in the institution in exchange for money and power” what
If money wasn’t needed. If people had access to dignified work to pay for housing, food and health, they would have a choice.
Cop work is always available, on a very low entry bar, paying generally better than equivalent positions elsewhere. And shitty people get to vent their violence unchecked.
Nice cops “just” have to sell their should a bit. Some people get desperate and are willing to pay the consciousness price.
In my opinion these positions shouldn’t even be available, the whole chain of command should be replaced by people representing the oppressed classes, committed to ending oppression.
I’m not defending police, I just think the criticism has to focus on the institution problem, not at the individual problem. Individuals are insignificant in the grand scheme of things, systems are everything.
Totally honest question: do you feel this way too about Russian soldiers in Ukraine, or IDF soldiers in Gaza?
I think it’s fair to say that “nice cops” see themselves as civilians, and representatives of the population, trying to improve things.
Soldiers are military, and a very different category. But! I read many US military personnel go in there because superior education is not really accessible anywhere else. So, maybe there’s a gray zone, there? Cannon fodder soldiers from poor strata die first, in any war. Most don’t want to be there.
I have particular views about IDF being an genocidal maniacal occupation force for a colonising state that commits innumerable crimes against humanity. That you’re probably not interested about.
And I have particular views about NATO using disguised Nazi Ideology in puppet states to seize and control it, that I also wouldn’t think you wouldn’t be particularly interested about.
Sure, like any other wildly unethical job there’s a spectrum of different people’s privilege and ability to easily cut out to a less cartoonishly evil job – I would hold Person A with a background in cybersecurity and no dependants a lot more responsible for every day they remain a cop than Person B who joined police academy straight out of high school and is supporting 5 children etc.
But saying that Person B should be excluded from “fuck cops” – that is, that there should be an exception to the general cultural work of making it socially unacceptable to be part of a murderous, racist, unjust, reactionary paid army – is supporting the institution that you’re claiming to be against. Waiting until a complete societal transformation before campaigning for people to not take blood money (your euphemistic “consciousness price”) is valuing Person B’s economic solvency over the lives of the people they (or, being generous, just their colleagues) will harass, target, frame, and even kill.
My sister in law is a (not American) cop when she’s not an EMT … And she also moonlights as a volunteer fireman.
Where on the hero-bastard spectrum of cheap generalization you’ve devised does she sit?
*ACAB, in their capacity as cops.
Yep, she’s still unfortunately a bastard, sorry to say
Nowhere, not American is a foreign concept to them.
I don’t know if your pun was intentional, but yeah anything not American would be foreign to an American. That’s how definitions work.
It was intentional, honestly i’m proud of it x)
In that case we’ll played, you pride is warranted.
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I think non-militarized cops, so most non-American ones, are not that bad and are generally more decent people than militarized cops. It’s amazing how much better policing can be when cops don’t carry guns with them all the time
In Europe all cops carry guns and yet most cops I’ve gotten to talk to are great. I’m Italian and all Italian cops I’ve talked to have been great to me and often times I ask them for directions when I get lost in our metropolitan cities. I don’t think it has got to do with guns, but rather police training. Compared to the US most EU countries have a training period of 2yr rather than the 6mo I’ve heard from friends and family typical of the US, which ultimately allows cops to be better prepared and police trainers to weed out the unsuitable.
TIL the UK and Norway are not in Europe lol
Where have they taken them?
They’re part of the US now. We just got ≈ 20 more states.
The job of a cop is a bastard job. When she is working voluntarily as a cop, she is supporting a bastardized system and is therefore a bastard.
Must be " post unfunny memes" day today.
Be honest, post unfunny memes day is every day
Why do memes always have to be funny?
Hell yeah 😎
What did the ICE tables do now?
Fuck the police and the 3-letter mafia
Not just the police and ICE but don’t forget fuck USCIS, USBP, CBSA, etc.
I explained to a police officer in my beer sharing circles during the George Floyd protests:
Damn near every kid in a high school cafeteria knows who the bad kids are and what tables they sit at. It’s no different anywhere in the real world. Every cop at every precinct knows which cops are the bad ones.
Unlike a highschool cafeteria, you, as a police officer, have a civic, professional, and moral duty to do everything in your power to get those cops kicked the fuck out. And the idea that doing so might somehow harm your career? That’s why “all cops are bastards.” It’s rotten from the top down. A few bad apples, in the case of police officers, spoils the whole bunch.
Fuck people who make generalisations
Systems can be bad, and the people who support and work within bad systems are bad, even if they act nice outside of that system.
I disagree with the second part. That means everybody living in a first world country is inherently a bad person just by accident of their birth location. We’re well past the point of choosing whether or not we participate in most systems, and at the end of the day, somebody needs to do the job of law enforcement.
People choose to be cops. Choosing which country you live in is a luxury most can’t afford.
Ok then, so people who vote in US elections are inherently evil? - a more analogous example
People who consume bananas are inherently evil?
People that have smartphones are inherently evil?
Those things are all choices. How about another one? Lithium mining is a bad system that negatively impacts the environment. Therefore, people that buy electric cars are evil and bad for the environment, right?!?
Becoming a cop is a life change, voting is standard, as is consuming bananas and using smartphones.
Deliberately choosing to become a cop is bad, because there are a wealth of alternatives. Not true for voting, bananas, smartphones, or cars.
A small subset of humans become cops, it isn’t a thing someone just chances into
I agree with the first part, not the second. All those black kids who end up in the military because of poverty are not all evil. But you’re right about the system so work to change that rather than damning a whole class of people.
