• GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org
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      I don’t think a lot of these places “expect” tips. It’s just that they’re all using the same e-commerce kiosks now, and it’s a standard thing with a tipping screen everywhere you go.

      I’m a generous tipper when it comes to bars, restaurants, or food delivery, but if it’s something that nobody tipped for 5 years ago, I ain’t tipping for it now just because there’s a kiosk in my face.

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      What do you mean charge 20%? How sure is the consumer to be that that 20% goes to the employees?

      Are they just tacking on 20% because they realize they can get that extra fee for no reason? It’s bullshit and predatory. People are looking at prices to judge where they want to/can afford to eat at and this behavior makes the business look cheaper at first glance.

      No, fuck that shit. No tipping and no “service fee” bullshit. Just give us normal, straight prices on the menu. If you cannot afford to pay your staff at the prices for the meals, raise the prices.

      I’ve seen places that even write on the menu “to pay our employees a living wage” or similar to justify the fee. Which again, is fucking bullshit! A businesses inability to price its product is no reason for me to deal with fees.

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          My point is that if someone leaves a 20% tip, that goes to the server and whoever they need to tip out like bartender and busboys. But it goes directly to them. When a business implements a service fee, that direct line to the service worker goes away. If I’m told there is a 20% fee to pay staff, I expect it to go directly to staff.

          I’m all for dropping tips and paying living wages. But a “service fee” isn’t the way to do it. Just raise the damn prices.

          A mandatory 20% fee is just the business saying that everyone has to tip 20%, and trust us that it actually goes to the servers/staff. There is functionally no difference culture-wise between giving consumers the choice to tip 20% and mandating a 20% service fee. It’s the same as the “gratuity added to parties over 8.”

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      I could do that, or I could just keep hitting “No tip” when I know they literally did nothing but hand me the thing I ordered across a counter.

      For the sake of argument I could boldly reach across the counter, grab my order and walk out. Would that be cheating the clerk out of money? If that interaction is required and it costs money I’d be the one that felt cheated. That’s in the realm of Ticketmaster convenience fees

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      many people making the tips don’t want tipping culture to end. They support it.

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      Yeah but it’s not like I can easily go to places that don’t require tips though. It can often cost more to go to a place that doesn’t tip than the value of the tip.

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        So you actually like the tipping system because it allows you to get a meal cheaper at the expense of the person who just served you? Because the way you say this it doesn’t seem like you actually want tipping to go away since it’d make your meals more expensive.

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          No, the opposite. I can’t go to a non-tipped place because everywhere around me requires a tip offering.

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            It can often cost more to go to a place that doesn’t tip than the value of the tip.

            Sure sounds like your ideal situations is to go to tipping places but not tip to save yourself money at the expense of a working person. Go eat at McDonalds, they don’t do tips.

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              No that’s not what I said. You seem pretty intent on disparaging me so I’m not going to discuss further.