I was wondering where the US was. Then I scrolled to the right.
oh holy shit
Yeah, that’s not a good look. Oof.
Worse than a bad look. It’s a humanitarian tragedy.
Life expectancy as a function of spending is parabolic confirmed? New theory: if you spend more than $22,000 on healthcare per capita, life expectancy will be negative
Hospitals just explicitly kill you and they take all your belongings as payment.
Actually can happen if you’re dark skinned in America. Lots of sketchy cases that happen to struggling folks of dark skin
Took me forever to find them. Was about to complain in the comments lol
Really stands out doesn’t it
Take this as a warning, UK.
Your NHS will get even fucking worse and cost three and a half times as much, and somehow a large portion of you stupid fucks are clamoring for US style private insurance rather than making the fucking Tories do their job.
Unfortunately, in case you’re unfamiliar with UK politics, making life as miserable as possible is the whole government’s thing at the moment and the majority don’t support them. Please do not call us stupid fucks though, we are their victims, perhaps figure out how to send help, get us invaded, anything to get rid of them.
Unfortunately, the majority of us are fucking stupid. We voted for Brexit…
The other possibility is that the younger voters are even more stupid by not voting.
Either way, politically stupid or stupid lazy.
I didn’t, don’t include me in that “we”.
Still I don’t blame brexit, I blame the government, brexit was a bad idea but it still could have been done a lot better, and can’t be used as a scapegoat for the government.
How?
How could Brexit have gone better? Open borders, customs union, staying in the single market.
You mean the Norway-plus model. Leave the table were the decisions are made, bud you do have to follow them. How is that better? Maybe less bad than what you got now, but definitely not better than staying.
Yes. I never claimed it was better than staying, I said right there “brexit was a bad idea but” - it was always going to be worse than staying but it didn’t need to be the unmitigated disaster that it was - that was the government’s fault.
Remember, remember, the fifth of November. And kick a Tory in the cock on the that day. Good start.
Do we have to only do it one day a year?
See multiwinner voting / proportional representation, it’s not known to me to be an undemocratic process
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow's_impossibility_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibbard's_theorem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PukSDm0RD2E https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/fair-representation-act/
Add Australia to that warning.
Only Denmark has a Beveridge funding model. Most of the places at the top of the chart have a social insurance model (Bismarck).
Ultimately whatever the model, the UK has really low capital investment which is starting to show severely now.
Take this with a grain of salt. For example sweden spends much more on healthcare than spain but they achieve the same in life expectancy because swedish doctors get payed more and sweden is in the north where there are other problems to deal with(mental health) and people generally live shorter lives. The us is fucked up no matter how you look at it.
A life expectancy almost as high as China and we only had to spend 13 times the amount of money.
I knew it was bad in the US. I did not know it is THAT bad.
Lots of profits to protect. The lobbying must be intense. Total shitshow.
The lobbying must be intense.
The Sackler family, the shitbags most directly responsible for the opioid epidemic in the US, were handed a sweetheart settlement deal where they had to hand over a small percentage of their multi-billion dollar fortunes and in return they were SHIELDED FROM PROSECUTION on any related charges or civil suits.
Luckily even our shitbag Supreme Court could see what utter scumfuck horseshit that was and tossed the deal out the window and into a garbage bin where it belonged.
Who offered the settlement? Who rejected it?
🇺🇸 #1!one!! Suck it, Cuba, with your nearly free healthcare and higher life expectancy!
Note that pretty much every other country than US in this list, the USD amount is how much the country pays per person in healthcare. Universal healthcare, baby.
So in Finland my healthcare has cost me roughly $10/year.
Not Switzerland’s choice, baby.
where is cuba on the chart
And where’s Taiwan?
Looking like the Japanese have it dialed in, eh?
Not to lump it in South Korea, but Koreans stay active and going out for many more years than other countries.
While the healthcare is good, I’m sure the “not staying at home” is better.
And yet this, too, is driven by terrible political decisions that practically force Americans to drive even the shortest distances. As a European, your cities and towns are extremely aggressive towards pedestrians and cyclists.
And fat shaming is also a normal thing.
Is this data old? India’s life expectancy is now 70+ according to World Bank. Eithercase, I am impressed by China. They had a life expectancy of ~36 years in 1949 when PRC was established. They lagged behind both India and Pakistan for quite some time(cough Mao cough) but then took such a steep climb upwards.
or a great leap forward so to speak 😉
China has gotten better as long as you’re not a Uyghur.
Wild Chaddi spotted !!
I am sorry, but is pointing out data inconsistencies makes you a BJP supporter automatically? Also, the pejorative you used is used for nationalistic Indian supporters who usually, tend NOT to say anything positive about China. I don’t fit your criterion.
How was this measured? Is it overall expenditure (including insurance, taxes, etc.) or out-of-pocket expenses?
Expenditure on health gives a measure of the final consumption of health goods and services (i.e. current health expenditure). This includes spending by all types of financing arrangements (such as government-based programmes, social insurance and out-of-pocket spending) on medical services and goods, population health and prevention programmes, as well as administration of the health system.
Thanks! I always appreciate additional context with charts.
You’re welcome! You were right to ask.
I’m always delighted to stumble on a wholesome exchange like this. Thank you both!
So if I pay $10k per year for insurance and the insurance company spends $5k on fixing me then the total is $15k?
If so then doesn’t this paint ls USA in a worse light than it deserves since universally funded countries would only count $5k in this graph.
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Further, is that number to include government healthcare funding, as well as out-of-pocket expense, in other words, money spent on behalf of the individual?
I’d like some clarity as this chart on its face is pretty damning.
It has to be, otherwise most of Europe would be along the y-axis.
Thanks for the additional context!
But privatization makes everything cheaper and more efficient
American Exceptionalism
What’re they doing in Costa Rica?
Im not sure, but the evidence is worth investigating. Guess Im going to Costa Rica.
Bunch of rich retired people move there.
To separate the effect of demographic differences from the expenditure, might help to divide by an age-weighted population, rather than simply per capita. Also, is this expenditure converted to US$ in MER or PPP (for services the latter makes more sense)?
Cuba’s life expectancy is too high and their expenditure too low to fit on the graph, very funny shit
Also USA is way higher than 12k a year, what was this from, 20 years ago? Last I saw was like 28k
I feel like if this was on Reddit there would be people commenting “Based USA”.
