This is why we still need demos
You basically get them through Steam - 2 hours is generally enough to figure out if a game is a total ripoff or not
Piracy is the demo version for me. I pirated cs1 until I decided that they deserve my money.
There is a vast difference to other games. The core is fine, mechanics work perfectly, the game looks great, it has just bad performance. That can be fixed.
Yeah… but some people wish for more finished games and that includes performance.
Like I get it it’s playable… and some games release in much worse state but unless it’s an indie game with zero money that needs that early money to continue they should wait.
A company like Paradox should certainly be able afford testers who run the game on a variety of configurations to see if optimization is necessary.
One thing I would say and this is a broad statement - generally you don’t do optimization unless you know you need it. And you only do it after the thing you’re writing is working correctly non-optimally. Optimize too soon, or when you don’t need to just makes code an unmaintainable mess. That doesn’t doesn’t preclude writing efficient code in the first place but efficient is not the same thing as optimal.
Why pay for testing when consumers will happily pay the developers to do it? They will even defend your unfinished product for free!
There’s just one thing I want to know:
Is it more, or less complex than Anno 1800?More complex but you have less control over what is produced, it’s more about getting workers to their jobs and transporting goods efficiently than making efficient production lines.
as someone who has yet to successfully raise a city in anno 1800 without going broke, this scares me
I haven’t made a city in cities skylines 2 without going broke yet
how are you finding it overall?
More difficult but (other than performance) much better compared to the first game with no dlc
awesome! just finished my new build (7800x3d / 7900xtx) might look into it. im sure the performance issues are going to be sorted soon
Like those reviews mean anything …
They are filled with unfunny meme reviews, review bombs because they feature a gay person, or reviews from people who don’t understand how computers are supposed to work.
I’ll form my own opinion, thank you very much.
I’m having a great time on medium graphics
Go ahead and spend $50 to form your own opinion. Be sure to leave a review!
All they had to do was throw it in Early Access while they fixed it. The reviews would likely be stellar in that case. Releasing it fully in this state just feels like some corporate BS. Disappointed in dev and publisher, and they keep making it worse with their weird excuses.
“Built with modern hardware in mind”, homie this shit ain’t even running right on a 4090. And 30fps target? Idk what they’re smoking.
(yeah i know that’s not what this is about but it still fits)
I haven’t touched a game below Overwhelmingly Positive in years at this point
Don’t let new games hype you! Play the actually released, proven, Good games - Undertale, Ori and the Blind Forest, TOTK, God of War, The Last of Us, It Takes Two.
There’s a wealth of available, old, discount games! Don’t roll the dice on new shit
At the same time I hear you but still I feel like it’s still not acceptable to release half done or poorly optimized products and hope that they’ll be done over time. For those who pay for the product it’s almost an insult.
I absolutely agree, but so long as it remains profitable developers will do it. Skip a whole lot of QC, rush to release the game, then use the launch to gather bug reports and fix those. Costs saved not hiring a ton of QC testers, get a return on the investment much sooner, get early players to pay to be QC testers basically. It’s a tried and tested formula now and it will keep happening until too many people won’t pre-order games.
I startend playing ori and could not see what the point of it is, can you maybe tell me a little about it to get hyped like all of you are?
You’re not wrong. On the other hand, i would prefer mediocre game from Paradox over every single one of those that you listed solely on base of genre.
What is the OP about on? Cities Skylines 2? It have better reviews now that the first wave of negbomb passes. Also i wouldn’t even take those under consideration, paradox forum crowd have long and established tradition of negbombing on steam for petty reasons.
My brother in christ, the fucking menu is lagging with 12 GB VRAM.
Maybe it was during the initial “generating textures” phase when you first launch it, but it should definitely not be lagging at the menu.
I’m on a 2080 S + 9700k and the game runs pretty decently, small city and it averages maybe 45fps with most settings on high at 1440p, run over 70 fps if I turn down the settings a bit, but I like the graphics and I can live with lower FPS on a city builder game.
Redfall 😑
I was kinda stoked for a cool looking modern vampire game… We all saw how that turned out
Do you have any idea how excited I was for the GTA trilogy remake? I’ve been waiting for so long. Only to be slapped in the face.
The worst part is that I know rockstar will never attempt to remake them again. I’ll never get that San Andreas remaster.
The issue is that Rockstar never remade GTA.
They outsourced that work to Grove Street Games who had already done the mobile ports and said have at it. Grove Street Games took their mobile ports (which were already compromised) and adapted them back to console & PC with a new engine. I assume everything was done on the cheap and to a deadline and what they produced is what they produced. For Rockstar it wasn’t a labour of love, it was money for old rope and if they had given a damn they wouldn’t have outsourced it or at least had stricter quality controls & acceptance on what someone made for them.
Rockstar made a slightly better job with their RDR port in that they didn’t completely fuck it up but it was still outsourced and a minimal effort.
I have never understood why people anticipate game realeases - I mean, people have learned how the AAA game industry works by now, right?
We’ve been warned, I expected performance to be rough but ~35fps on a 4090 is a new low for me.
Maybe don’t jump the hype train every time and instead choose to play proven and established games from developers who are known to deliver quality, which exist in abundance?
Paradox is known to deliver quality.
I see, then my criticism excludes Paradox and is obviously misplaced in this particular discussion, my apologies.
Cities skyline 2 performance is pretty bad from the stream I was watching. HOWEVER according to this review by Wal Der Qual if you set the dynamic resolution to “constant” you will get an FPS boost. It helped the gal on the stream I was watching anyhow. I cant speak for their other suggestions as they didnt get tried on the stream.
Dynamic resolution? So it is going to bring you down to sub 1080p in order to run at a decent framerate? That doesn’t seem worth it.
I am so down for a sequel of this game and while it looks good the only thing making me hesitate are the performance issues. I’m tempted to just play the first one more and even pick up a DLC I want for that instead of putting the cash to this.
So far I’ve played 4 hours and I just think there’s a hate train on it. I have a 3000 series card and took the recommended steps from paradox and the game plays fine, I’m enjoying it. From what I understand VRAM is the choke point, so if you don’t have a ton then maybe hold off
I have a 3080 so I should be alright and watching a few streams it seems playable too. Might utilize the two hour refund period and see.
I think it’d be very playable. Just follow all the steps on the forum post. (To the downvoters, what does my experience not fit your narrative? That I’m having a fun time in a game that I’m enjoying?)
I loaded up the 100k city and it was playable after following the various guides out there for me. It reminded me a bit of how Dwarf Fortress used to slow down and stutter when you had a lot of dwarfs running around.
That said, they should have kept it in the oven until sometime in 2024. Besides performance improvements there are a few rough edges especially Chirper and in the simulation itself that need more work. One example is civs complaining about healthcare excessively until you unlock the upgrade for the full hospital and build one. Also some of the new tools like the road one and the pipe system need more polish as they can be unintuitive and frustrating to use at times.
It’s ultimately not a bad game it just shouldn’t be released yet. They should have gone the early access route because that’s how it feels at the moment.
I heard someone on Discord claim that the depth of field dropped the performance significantly, and they could run it stable once they disabled it.
Stable at 30fps?
More than enough for a top down strategy game. Why are you so obsessed with 60 fps in a game where nothing moves fast and reaction times dont matter
For me it’s smoother camera panning. I just love that 60+fps feel when you move the game camera. Silky smooth.
Absolutely. If I’m spending my money on a game and running it on an above average hardware, the bare minimum I will expect is to atleast run smoothly regardless of features or quality.
The bar is so fucking low.
Eye strain
Cap your fps if you don’t want it jumping around
It’s not about the fluctuations lmfao.
Then you aren’t going to experience eye strain
Oh sick thanks yeah i needed someone to tell me my own experiences.
